Blowback is Killing Us. Just Come Home.

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Post by C-Mag » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:44 am

First sign of the end of the War in Afghanistan
Speaking to NBC News last week, Gen. Austin Scott Miller made his first public statements after taking charge of American operations, and shocked with his frank assessment that that the Afghan war cannot be won militarily and peace will only be achieved through direct engagement and negotiations with the Taliban — the very terror group which US forces sought to defeat when it first invaded in 2001.

“This is not going to be won militarily,” Gen. Miller said. “This is going to a political solution.”
https://truepundit.com/the-u-s-cannot-w ... interview/
Finally, someone with the balls to look for other options.
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Post by The Conservative » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:49 am

C-Mag wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:44 am
First sign of the end of the War in Afghanistan
Speaking to NBC News last week, Gen. Austin Scott Miller made his first public statements after taking charge of American operations, and shocked with his frank assessment that that the Afghan war cannot be won militarily and peace will only be achieved through direct engagement and negotiations with the Taliban — the very terror group which US forces sought to defeat when it first invaded in 2001.

“This is not going to be won militarily,” Gen. Miller said. “This is going to a political solution.”
https://truepundit.com/the-u-s-cannot-w ... interview/
Finally, someone with the balls to look for other options.
Oh it can be won by the use of military, if the military were allowed to do what was required to win.

They won’t win the hearts and minds of anyone. Our military was designed to splatter the hearts and minds of our enemy all over the place.
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Post by C-Mag » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:11 am

The Conservative wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:49 am
C-Mag wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:44 am
First sign of the end of the War in Afghanistan
Speaking to NBC News last week, Gen. Austin Scott Miller made his first public statements after taking charge of American operations, and shocked with his frank assessment that that the Afghan war cannot be won militarily and peace will only be achieved through direct engagement and negotiations with the Taliban — the very terror group which US forces sought to defeat when it first invaded in 2001.

“This is not going to be won militarily,” Gen. Miller said. “This is going to a political solution.”
https://truepundit.com/the-u-s-cannot-w ... interview/
Finally, someone with the balls to look for other options.
Oh it can be won by the use of military, if the military were allowed to do what was required to win.

They won’t win the hearts and minds of anyone. Our military was designed to splatter the hearts and minds of our enemy all over the place.
That had to happen early. First of all, I don't think the American public could be sold on a major build up in Afghanistan today. It was the type of war that required a Gulf War I type coalition and sized force to hit the ground and totally remake the country...……………… didn't happen. There's a reason they call it, The place where Empires go to Die.

We are dead, but understanding we have limits is OK too. GWOT was always best attacked as a Spec Ops/Whack a Mole/ International Policing War. Much like we deal with Piracy.

The important thing is that you learn your lessons and get your ass out of bad situations, even if some military officers or politicians have to look bad for doing it. This is what BHO was elected to do, and missed his chance after OBL was killed................. not only did he miss it, he expanded it into Syria and Libya.

Trump has wanted to end this. It was in all his 2016 election speeches, but not covered by the press.
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Post by The Conservative » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:18 am

C-Mag wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:11 am
The Conservative wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:49 am
C-Mag wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:44 am
First sign of the end of the War in Afghanistan



Finally, someone with the balls to look for other options.
Oh it can be won by the use of military, if the military were allowed to do what was required to win.

They won’t win the hearts and minds of anyone. Our military was designed to splatter the hearts and minds of our enemy all over the place.
That had to happen early. First of all, I don't think the American public could be sold on a major build up in Afghanistan today. It was the type of war that required a Gulf War I type coalition and sized force to hit the ground and totally remake the country...……………… didn't happen. There's a reason they call it, The place where Empires go to Die.

We are dead, but understanding we have limits is OK too. GWOT was always best attacked as a Spec Ops/Whack a Mole/ International Policing War. Much like we deal with Piracy.

The important thing is that you learn your lessons and get your ass out of bad situations, even if some military officers or politicians have to look bad for doing it. This is what BHO was elected to do, and missed his chance after OBL was killed................. not only did he miss it, he expanded it into Syria and Libya.

Trump has wanted to end this. It was in all his 2016 election speeches, but not covered by the press.
I think the difference is that Trump would let Mattis do what is required to win. While Obama wanted to go Hitler on everyone and control everything.

Today though, I wonder if glassing and walking away wouldn’t be an option.
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Post by C-Mag » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:28 am

We never were a culture that would destroy people just to destroy people. Leaving doesn't mean we didn't win the GWOT either. Just like leaving Vietnam didn't mean we lost the strategic goals of the war.

When we entered Vietnam there were almost 50 Communist nations and it was a rising tide. The US stopped that movement in Vietnam, and it receding quickly. Within 20 years of the end of the Vietnam war the number of Communist nations were down to a handful. We won by showing the world we would fight against it.

The same can happen here, and seeing Saudi Arabia changing, moving away from Wahabism, it may be happening right before our eyes. So let the Ken Burns types shit all over our military and Service Members, Fuck 'em. The end result is what matters.
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Post by The Conservative » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:32 am

C-Mag wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:28 am
We never were a culture that would destroy people just to destroy people. Leaving doesn't mean we didn't win the GWOT either. Just like leaving Vietnam didn't mean we lost the strategic goals of the war.

When we entered Vietnam there were almost 50 Communist nations and it was a rising tide. The US stopped that movement in Vietnam, and it receding quickly. Within 20 years of the end of the Vietnam war the number of Communist nations were down to a handful. We won by showing the world we would fight against it.

The same can happen here, and seeing Saudi Arabia changing, moving away from Wahabism, it may be happening right before our eyes. So let the Ken Burns types shit all over our military and Service Members, Fuck 'em. The end result is what matters.
There is a difference between Communisim and Islam though.

Communisim is a political movement.

Islam is a religious belief, and even after we leave it won’t matter, they will come after us if they can.
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Post by C-Mag » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:38 am

The Conservative wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:32 am
C-Mag wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:28 am
We never were a culture that would destroy people just to destroy people. Leaving doesn't mean we didn't win the GWOT either. Just like leaving Vietnam didn't mean we lost the strategic goals of the war.

When we entered Vietnam there were almost 50 Communist nations and it was a rising tide. The US stopped that movement in Vietnam, and it receding quickly. Within 20 years of the end of the Vietnam war the number of Communist nations were down to a handful. We won by showing the world we would fight against it.

The same can happen here, and seeing Saudi Arabia changing, moving away from Wahabism, it may be happening right before our eyes. So let the Ken Burns types shit all over our military and Service Members, Fuck 'em. The end result is what matters.
There is a difference between Communisim and Islam though.

Communisim is a political movement.

Islam is a religious belief, and even after we leave it won’t matter, they will come after us if they can.
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Radical Islam is a political movement, hidden inside a religion. That is the biggest mistake everyone makes. It is a Totalitarian Political Movement. That seeks to gain political power(Moslem potentates), over a geographic area(Caliphate), that will instill their legal system on the conquered land (Sharia Law).
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Post by The Conservative » Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:41 am

C-Mag wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:38 am
The Conservative wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:32 am
C-Mag wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:28 am
We never were a culture that would destroy people just to destroy people. Leaving doesn't mean we didn't win the GWOT either. Just like leaving Vietnam didn't mean we lost the strategic goals of the war.

When we entered Vietnam there were almost 50 Communist nations and it was a rising tide. The US stopped that movement in Vietnam, and it receding quickly. Within 20 years of the end of the Vietnam war the number of Communist nations were down to a handful. We won by showing the world we would fight against it.

The same can happen here, and seeing Saudi Arabia changing, moving away from Wahabism, it may be happening right before our eyes. So let the Ken Burns types shit all over our military and Service Members, Fuck 'em. The end result is what matters.
There is a difference between Communisim and Islam though.

Communisim is a political movement.

Islam is a religious belief, and even after we leave it won’t matter, they will come after us if they can.
:?
WRONG
WRONG
WRONG

Radical Islam is a political movement, hidden inside a religion. That is the biggest mistake everyone makes. It is a Totalitarian Political Movement. That seeks to gain political power(Moslem potentates), over a geographic area(Caliphate), that will instill their legal system on the conquered land (Sharia Law).
When the majority don’t speak up, and correct or remove the minority, my statement stands true.

You may be right overall, but until radical Islam can be seperated and removed from the religious side of things, those spouting war in the name of Islam should be treated as if their blood was TNT...
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Post by Speaker to Animals » Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:46 am

Almost half of them support jihad and terrorism. It's been shown by numerous polls. Of the ones who claim to not support it, most of them say nothing when they know who is a jihadi, so their lack of support does not even amount to active resistance.

Further, if somebody claims to believe the tenants of a religion, then I take them for their word. The tenants of Islam is one of military and political conquest of the Earth. Everything outside of the Islamic nations they literally call the House of War.