Millennials aren't ready for the 'reality of life'

[GloryofGreece]

Can you be the tribesman that talks and negotiates with the other tribe and still be loyal to your group? I mean it sounds like your saying almost anything associated with a curiosity or openness means less in group preference. But I think our obvious explorative genes pushed us forward as well and I don't know how that trait directly ties in to prefering your group or not really. It might be that humans are curious creatures always mucking about and looking for greener pastures. Some more than others and on the extremes you have astronauts and say dudes like Hernan Cortes and all the other "explorers" and foot soldiers we do not know or remember. And fuck if Cortes wasn't a Spainard through and through.

[Speaker to Animals]

Basically, if you just want to look at it from a Darwinian perspective, moral behavior derives from group selection. Without a group identity, we do not need moral behavior. We do whatever the alpha says we do, or we head out and fend for ourselves, which for most is death.

Group selection entails sacrifice by an individual for the group. Insomuch as other members of the group share some of his alleles, his sacrifice helps perpetuate and reproduce those alleles.

Urban life undermines group selection over generations because the urban environment advantages freeloading and selfish exploitation of others. It also advantages people with the genetic behavior of group preference having been down regulated or even lost.

[Speaker to Animals]

Can you be the tribesman that talks and negotiates with the other tribe and still be loyal to your group? I mean it sounds like your saying almost anything associated with a curiosity or openness means less in group preference. But I think our obvious explorative genes pushed us forward as well and I don't know how that trait directly ties in to prefering your group or not really. It might be that humans are curious creatures always mucking about and looking for greener pastures. Some more than others and on the extremes you have astronauts and say dudes like Hernan Cortes and all the other "explorers" and foot soldiers we do not know or remember. And fuck if Cortes wasn't a Spainard through and through.

That is not what I am saying.

Being curious is fine. What is not fine is losing group selection, and you lose group selection by losing in-group preferences. But the urban environment selects exactly that over time. The man with strong in-group preferences will find it difficult to reproduce in a city full of strangers who do not belong to his group.

[Zlaxer]

Can you be the tribesman that talks and negotiates with the other tribe and still be loyal to your group? I mean it sounds like your saying almost anything associated with a curiosity or openness means less in group preference. But I think our obvious explorative genes pushed us forward as well and I don't know how that trait directly ties in to prefering your group or not really. It might be that humans are curious creatures always mucking about and looking for greener pastures. Some more than others and on the extremes you have astronauts and say dudes like Hernan Cortes and all the other "explorers" and foot soldiers we do not know or remember. And fuck if Cortes wasn't a Spainard through and through.

That is not what I am saying.

Being curious is fine. What is not fine is losing group selection, and you lose group selection by losing in-group preferences. But the urban environment selects exactly that over time. The man with strong in-group preferences will find it difficult to reproduce in a city full of strangers who do not belong to his group.

How about the Marxist took over Academia and government offices, which are located primarily in cities...and the infection spread from there....seems pretty simple to me.

[Speaker to Animals]

Can you be the tribesman that talks and negotiates with the other tribe and still be loyal to your group? I mean it sounds like your saying almost anything associated with a curiosity or openness means less in group preference. But I think our obvious explorative genes pushed us forward as well and I don't know how that trait directly ties in to prefering your group or not really. It might be that humans are curious creatures always mucking about and looking for greener pastures. Some more than others and on the extremes you have astronauts and say dudes like Hernan Cortes and all the other "explorers" and foot soldiers we do not know or remember. And fuck if Cortes wasn't a Spainard through and through.

That is not what I am saying.

Being curious is fine. What is not fine is losing group selection, and you lose group selection by losing in-group preferences. But the urban environment selects exactly that over time. The man with strong in-group preferences will find it difficult to reproduce in a city full of strangers who do not belong to his group.

How about the Marxist took over Academia and government offices, which are located primarily in cities...and the infection spread from there....seems pretty simple to me.

It's not simple, in my opinion, because I think there exists a strong genetic component to Marxism. Certainly, you will see some folks in the countryside who adopt some leftist politics, but they are more an aberration. Likewise, people who retain group identity and in-group preferences in cities are an aberration. I wouldn't be surprised at all if we found, after cataloging the people who do have in-group preferences, they are genetically recent arrivals to urbanism. Somebody in their recent ancestry moved from the non-urban parts of the country into a city.

Imposing Marxism upon "red district America" is like trying to impose civilization on Uganda, or imposing tribalist behavior on Japanese people. There exist genetic reasons for the way we organize ourselves socially and politically.

Urban people are becoming a different race.

[Zlaxer]

Urban people are becoming a different race.

I'm willing to listen - but 'splain Russians? Perhaps Marxism existed first and is causing a genetic change that will feed itself, like a positive feedback loop.

[Speaker to Animals]

Urban people are becoming a different race.

I'm willing to listen - but 'splain Russians? Perhaps Marxism existed first and is causing a genetic change that will feed itself, like a positive feedback loop.

I do not mean traditional (economic) Marxism. I am talking about what we see happening here, though even in Russia it was largely an urban phenomenon in the beginning, that was imposed upon the countryside by the communist elites. I am not sure if my genetic theory applies to them, though.

This phenomenon is very old. St Augustine addresses it in City of God where he explained why the classical civilization was collapsing, and took direct aim at what we call degeneracy today. Soddom and Gamorrah were Biblical examples of it.

[GloryofGreece]

That is not what I am saying.

Being curious is fine. What is not fine is losing group selection, and you lose group selection by losing in-group preferences. But the urban environment selects exactly that over time. The man with strong in-group preferences will find it difficult to reproduce in a city full of strangers who do not belong to his group.

How about the Marxist took over Academia and government offices, which are located primarily in cities...and the infection spread from there....seems pretty simple to me.

It's not simple, in my opinion, because I think there exists a strong genetic component to Marxism. Certainly, you will see some folks in the countryside who adopt some leftist politics, but they are more an aberration. Likewise, people who retain group identity and in-group preferences in cities are an aberration. I wouldn't be surprised at all if we found, after cataloging the people who do have in-group preferences, they are genetically recent arrivals to urbanism. Somebody in their recent ancestry moved from the non-urban parts of the country into a city.

Imposing Marxism upon "red district America" is like trying to impose civilization on Uganda, or imposing tribalist behavior on Japanese people. There exist genetic reasons for the way we organize ourselves socially and politically.

Urban people are becoming a different race.

I'm following your biological determinism a little better now, but can you list a few characteristics that urban people are "adapted" to have?
*Beside non preferences*

[Fife]

Urban people are becoming a different race.

I'm willing to listen - but 'splain Russians? Perhaps Marxism existed first and is causing a genetic change that will feed itself, like a positive feedback loop.

I do not mean traditional (economic) Marxism. I am talking about what we see happening here, though even in Russia it was largely an urban phenomenon in the beginning, that was imposed upon the countryside by the communist elites. I am not sure if my genetic theory applies to them, though.

This phenomenon is very old. St Augustine addresses it in City of God where he explained why the classical civilization was collapsing, and took direct aim at what we call degeneracy today. Soddom and Gamorrah were Biblical examples of it.

Marx was downstream of some big time degeneracy. Was Marx much more than a dope-addled, white-bread, silver-spoon sucking, uber-privileged, pseudo-wannabe-economist, really?

18th century Paris was very cosmopolitan, I'm told.

[GloryofGreece]

Henri de Saint-Simon, Charles Fourier, Robert Owen, Proudhon, and Bakunin were all developers of "socialism/communism" and they were are all intellectuals with leisure time to read and write. Got to have the time and resources to learn abstract ideas and then try to elaborate on them to "construct society".