Current US Military

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Re: Current US Military

Post by Zlaxer » Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:49 am

Fuck - it's too early in the day for this kind of shit....FarmBoy is driving me to drink....

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Re: Current US Military

Post by Zlaxer » Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:53 am

Look - I don't like a standing Army as much as the next red blooded American....but warfare has changed...modern mechanized war machines require professionals to operate them safely...want to close OCONUS bases? I'm right behind you....what to reduce infantry...sure....but tankers, pilots, sub mariners....? ehh...not so crazy about that.

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Re: Current US Military

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:54 am

Zlaxer wrote:
Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:48 am
SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:24 am
Zlaxer wrote:
Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:22 am



Your going to use Boomers and Minutemen to shoot down MIGs, SUs, and whatever other shit POSs the PRC sends our way? Impressive shooting...
What on earth would they accomplish with a fighter jet, unless it's dropping nukes?

MAD is the only military policy that matters anymore.

Right - so if a rogue PRC pilot decides he wants to bomb the coast of Alaska, we're going to Nuke all of China....
As opposed to what, invading them?

We'd probably nuke some island of theirs, and they'd choose to escalate or not.
Zlaxer wrote:
Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:53 am
Look - I don't like a standing Army as much as the next red blooded American....but warfare has changed...modern mechanized war machines require professionals to operate them safely...want to close OCONUS bases? I'm right behind you....what to reduce infantry...sure....but tankers, pilots, sub mariners....? ehh...not so crazy about that.
Like I said, keep the boomer and bomber crews. Don't really need anything else.
SJWs are a natural consequence of corporatism.

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Re: Current US Military

Post by Speaker to Animals » Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:01 am

SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:24 am
Zlaxer wrote:
Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:22 am
SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:13 am
Odds of the US army being used for any sort of domestic defense - 1,000,000 : 1
Odds of the US army being used for foreign corporate wars - 1 : 1

I see no downside here.

Honestly, this is the same as our former discussion about the surface navy. There is absolutely no reason to have it. It's a trillion-dollar jobs program, and the worst example of government waste.

INb4 we hear that patriotism = support of the MIC

Your going to use Boomers and Minutemen to shoot down MIGs, SUs, and whatever other shit POSs the PRC sends our way? Impressive shooting...
What on earth would they accomplish with a fighter jet, unless it's dropping nukes?

MAD is the only military policy that matters anymore.
This person ^^^ votes.

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Re: Current US Military

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:10 am

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:01 am
SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:24 am
Zlaxer wrote:
Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:22 am



Your going to use Boomers and Minutemen to shoot down MIGs, SUs, and whatever other shit POSs the PRC sends our way? Impressive shooting...
What on earth would they accomplish with a fighter jet, unless it's dropping nukes?

MAD is the only military policy that matters anymore.
This person ^^^ votes.
Not that it does any good, but yeah.

You want smaller government, or multi-trillion-dollar standing corporate army?
SJWs are a natural consequence of corporatism.

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Re: Current US Military

Post by Zlaxer » Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:12 am

SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:10 am
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:01 am
SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:24 am


What on earth would they accomplish with a fighter jet, unless it's dropping nukes?

MAD is the only military policy that matters anymore.
This person ^^^ votes.
Not that it does any good, but yeah.

You want smaller government, or multi-trillion-dollar standing corporate army?

Close the OCONUS bases....and stop making carriers...they're obsolete...but we need tanks, helos, transports, troop carriers....and the ability to deploy if need be....

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Re: Current US Military

Post by nmoore63 » Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:23 am

Research.
Training.
Infrastructure.

Significant production of Things such as the F-35 are wooden boats coming into WW1.

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Re: Current US Military

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:26 am

nmoore63 wrote:
Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:23 am
Research.
Training.
Infrastructure.

Significant production of Things such as the F-35 are wooden boats coming into WW1.
Couldn't agree more.

There's no real use for a fighter jet, whatsoever.
SJWs are a natural consequence of corporatism.

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Re: Current US Military

Post by Speaker to Animals » Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:27 am

OMFG

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Re: Current US Military

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:28 am

Zlaxer wrote:
Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:12 am
SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:10 am
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:01 am


This person ^^^ votes.
Not that it does any good, but yeah.

You want smaller government, or multi-trillion-dollar standing corporate army?

Close the OCONUS bases....and stop making carriers...they're obsolete...but we need tanks, helos, transports, troop carriers....and the ability to deploy if need be....
Tanks are useless. Helos and transports are a good idea, but we have the interstate system to handle most needs.
SJWs are a natural consequence of corporatism.

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