Out of the Ordinary Political Campaigns

[Martin Hash]

I figure Hash oughta know it's better to have a financially motivated employee than a sycophant.

Then you don’t know much.

If money determined elections, Clinton would be president.

[clubgop]

It would save so much money with the added bonus of candidates not telling one story to Ohio and then telling the opposite to Texas.

No not gonna happen.

I'm sure people said McKinley was crazy too

Not about being crazy that was 1900 man. The federal government wasn't the grab bag of goodies that it is now. Santa Claus has to go out and press the flesh. The dog and pony show of campaigning, the local press coverage, the venues, the personnel you think that all goes away? Talk about saving money. Who's money? The campaign's? The donor's? They don't care about that shit. If you save money in one area cool that means you can spend it somewhere else.

[clubgop]

I figure Hash oughta know it's better to have a financially motivated employee than a sycophant.

Then you don’t know much.

If money determined elections, Clinton would be president.

Forgive them they think this thing is like a regular legitimate business, it isn't. They are lawyers in this business and you want to know why so many lawyers are in politics? Because like a lawyer they get paid no matter the result. There are no contingency fees here my friend. In fact the real business is in losing. Ever notice how the winning campaign guru go off and do something else while the losers hover around and work with campaign after campaign, after campaign collecting fees while trying to get that W?

[Kath]

It would save so much money with the added bonus of candidates not telling one story to Ohio and then telling the opposite to Texas.

No not gonna happen.

Of course not, buzz killer.

[Martin Hash]

I figure Hash oughta know it's better to have a financially motivated employee than a sycophant.

Then you don’t know much.

If money determined elections, Clinton would be president.

Forgive them they think this thing is like a regular legitimate business, it isn't. They are lawyers in this business and you want to know why so many lawyers are in politics? Because like a lawyer they get paid no matter the result. There are no contingency fees here my friend. In fact the real business is in losing. Ever notice how the winning campaign guru go off and do something else while the losers hover around and work with campaign after campaign, after campaign collecting fees while trying to get that W?

So true. My favorite campaign advisor doesn't even know the issues. She couldn't tell you what the news was today, or even any history, but she can sure talk about up-to-the-minute campaigning odds. In the weird environment around me, even though everyone thinks I'm going to lose, I have a kind of aura. That plus a random viral event, and I win. I think everyone else suspsects that too.

[Okeefenokee]

I figure Hash oughta know it's better to have a financially motivated employee than a sycophant.

Then you don’t know much.

If money determined elections, Clinton would be president.

And if true believer sycophants determined elections she would as well.

But neither of those statements are what I said.

[Speaker to Animals]

I don't think the people around her gave a shit about her vision, really. They were in it for the power and access. Indeed, that's all these deep state critters are interested in. They really don't have a driving ideology. The shit you see on television is just a farce.

Hash has a point there.

Trump wasn't supposed to win, but he hired people who actually believed in this nationalist idea. Say what you want about guys like Bannon, they are believers whereas the spirit-cooking criminal collaborators that Clinton hired were just power junkies.

[Martin Hash]

Hillary paid for PR and bought votes, she lost. Trump relied on True Believers, he won. Buying loyalty is always a losing proposition.

[Ph64]

I don't think the people around her gave a shit about her vision, really. They were in it for the power and access. Indeed, that's all these deep state critters are interested in. They really don't have a driving ideology. The shit you see on television is just a farce.

Hash has a point there.

Trump wasn't supposed to win, but he hired people who actually believed in this nationalist idea. Say what you want about guys like Bannon, they are believers whereas the spirit-cooking criminal collaborators that Clinton hired were just power junkies.

People saw her as a typical politician, say whatever it takes to get elected no matter what they believe, and once elected it doesn't matter, you can do what you want. So nobody believed her, for good reason.

Trump, and I think Bernie, both sounded like "believers" to their constituents - whether they were/are or not the people believed they were. The things they said as far as "campaign promises" most people realized probably weren't going to happen, were "pie in the sky" outside what a president alone really has the power to do, but as long as the people believed they would fight for those things the candidates sounded "real/believable".

Hillary just comes across too much as corrupt/phony. And she's a lousy actor.