How is the Russia Investigation not Serious

[C-Mag]

I lived through Whitewater and Ken Starr. Clinton clearly did some bad stuff but it was just inSANE how that investigation was allowed to range far and wide in the ultimate fishing expedition.

So, Ooky, you don't support the #MeToo movement, and you are ok with White Men of Power having sex on the job with young women in their employee ? or do you just want to MoveOn.org ?

I'm with Dan Carlin on the Ken Starr investigation. Bill Clinton should have been Impeached for his illegal dealings with China, not that.

From first hand memory I can see major differences here, however. The possible obstruction of justice is DIRECTLY related to the Russia probe in the firing of James Comey

Have you ever read the US Government Documents recommending President Donald J Trump Fire Jimmy Comey ? Because, ya know he didn't just fire him out of the blue. It was recommended by both Jeff Sessions and Rod Rosenstein. Here is just one quote from that letter.

My perspective on these issues is shared by former Attorneys General and Deputy Attorneys General from different eras and both political parties. Judge Laurence Silberman, who served as Deputy Attorneys General under President Ford, wrote that "it is not the bureau's responsibility to opine on whether a matter should be prosecuted." Silberman believes that the Director's(Comey) "Performance was so inappropriate for an FBI director that [he] doubt(s) the bureau will ever completely recover." Jamie Gorelick, Deputy Attorney General under President George W. Bush, to opine that the Director had "chosen personally to restrike the balance between transparency and fairness, department from the department's traditions." They concluded that the Director violated his obligation to "preserve, protect and defend" the traditions of the Department and the FBI.

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/t ... ends-trump
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39866767

Beyond that, the POTUS has the right to fire people.
"President Donald Trump’s firing of FBI Director James Comey is entirely legal, both under federal law and under the U.S. Constitution...........................Under a federal law enacted in 1976 and found at 28 U.S.C. § 532 note, the director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation serves up to a 10-year term, during which time he can be removed by the president for any reason. "

If this is so illegal, why not remove Rosenstein and Sessions, it's a lot easier to get rid of the initiators of the Comey firing.

[ooky]

Rosenstein didn’t specifically recommend his dismissal, but that hardly matters. I read the whole letters and the crazy thing is that Rod was saying he handled the Clinton investigation incorrectly - not because he didn’t investigate her hard enough, but because he should not have announced he was considering reopening the investigation a week before the election, it was unwarranted and unfair to her. Does not seem like a solid point for the Trumpian side, or in any way a credible reason for him to fire Comey. Fortunately, we know exactly what he was thinking because he gave an interview where he explicitly said it was because of the Russia investigation.

Bill is basically trash on a personal level, as far as I’m concerned. And he’s not looking great on his little tour right now. But they didn’t impeach him because of me too - type feelings. Lewinski got drug through the mud for 20 years, and that’s just wrong, and it always was wrong. It was consensual, but a seriously warped power dynamic. More damning, I believe Juanita Brodderick, too. But I also believe Trump’s accusers.

Anyway, the best article I could find on the constitutionality argument is linked below, it’s by George Conway. Apparently many of the founding assumptions of that argument are just wrong (I would have never known this, but I know Conway is a serious constitutional scholar), for example u.s. attorneys are not principal officers.
https://lawfareblog.com/terrible-argume ... estigation

[ooky]

I just feel I want to reiterate the disbelief I have that people seriously hold the position that this is a witch hunt, it was unwarranted, and they have nothing.

They have formally charged Trump’s campaign manager with CONSPIRACY AGAINST THE UNITED STATES. This is a former US Atty with a record of very careful, meticulous prosecutions. He’d also a conservative Republican. He’s not going to formally charge someone in such a high profile way unless he’s sure he has the evidence. DSL mentioned that if you looked at anyone long and hard enough you’d find some dirt on them. Well I guarantee you all that you could look at me for 20 years and you would not come up with that.

Then, this weekend, what the actual fuck? Saying we should let Russia into the G8? Before insulting all of our allies? I mean...

[Speaker to Animals]

Conspiracy charges are the most chicken shit of them all, ooky. Come on.

[ooky]

Not JUST conspiracy, dude, you come on. That is a real charge, Mueller knows how under the microscope he is. And Manafort, after being charged with that, continued to do shady shit so that he has just recently, last Friday, been charged with obstruction of justice in contact with a Russian with “ties to Russian intelligence”. And Trump continues to defend Manafort, with no specifics, as he calls for us all to agree the Crimea thing was FINE, really, let’s let them back in the G8.

He acts like someone who has very specific reasons for how he acts towards Russia.

[Speaker to Animals]

Do you really not understand how chicken shit conspiracy charges are?

[ooky]

Conspiracy AGAINST THE UNITED STATES charges? As my wetland delineation mentor used to say, that ain’t no chickenshit ditch, kid.

[Speaker to Animals]

It's complete and total chickenshit.

http://reason.com/blog/2016/04/29/consp ... -for-abuse


Those statutes are fucking awful.

[Okeefenokee]

I just feel I want to reiterate the disbelief I have that people seriously hold the position that this is a witch hunt, it was unwarranted, and they have nothing.

They have formally charged Trump’s campaign manager with CONSPIRACY AGAINST THE UNITED STATES.

You don't even know what that means.

Manafort was charged with laundering money ten fucking years ago. Nothing to do with Trump.

Numerous VW executives got hit with the same charge for lying about fucking engine exhaust.

I just feel I want to reiterate the disbelief I have that you haven't gone back to marching.

[Haumana]

You forgot the part where they indicted a company that didn't exist?

Or the one that exists enough for them to file a lawsuit and attempting to get into to discovery phase. #shitshow