Europe, Boring Until it's Not

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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by Montegriffo » Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:40 pm

Otern wrote:
Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:22 pm
Montegriffo wrote:
Fri Jun 08, 2018 2:51 am
Very low murder rates compared to countries which don't.
We have rising gang violence and reducing police numbers, thank fuck we don't have easy access to firearms as well.
But the ban-happy laws aren't what made the crime rate low.

Norway had a equally low crime rate before the nineties, before all those crazy laws banning anything and everything. You could buy a shotgun just as easily as you could buy a beer. And it was still one of the safest countries in the world.
The UK handgun ban was not intended to reduce overall crime. It was intended to eliminate mass shootings, which it has done very successfully.
If we are to reduce gang violence then a halt to Police cutbacks will have the greatest effect.
Rising gang violence has gone hand in hand with a reduction in police manpower.
The Tories have abandoned their love of law and order to pursue a policy of austerity.
For legal reasons, we are not threatening to destroy U.S. government property with our glorious medieval siege engine. But if we wanted to, we could. But we won’t. But we could.
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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by Okeefenokee » Fri Jun 08, 2018 2:52 pm

It's always taxes.

Why did France see their worst terror attack in history? Fucking tax cuts, that's why.
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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by Otern » Fri Jun 08, 2018 3:04 pm

Montegriffo wrote:
Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:40 pm
The UK handgun ban was not intended to reduce overall crime. It was intended to eliminate mass shootings, which it has done very successfully.
If we are to reduce gang violence then a halt to Police cutbacks will have the greatest effect.
Rising gang violence has gone hand in hand with a reduction in police manpower.
The Tories have abandoned their love of law and order to pursue a policy of austerity.
I'm talking about the general gun laws and knife laws that came in the nineties, not the ones inspired by mass shootings. The bans didn't lower the crime rate, as the crime rate was already low.

Also, you didn't completely eliminate mass shootings. As one happened after all your gun laws were in place some years ago.

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Post by Okeefenokee » Fri Jun 08, 2018 3:19 pm

Didn't eliminate mass killings at all.
The 7 July 2005 London bombings, often referred to as 7/7, were a series of coordinated terrorist suicide attacks in London, United Kingdom, which targeted commuters travelling on the city's public transport system during the morning rush hour.

Four Islamic terrorists separately detonated three bombs in quick succession aboard London Underground trains across the city and, later, a fourth on a double-decker bus in Tavistock Square.[1] The train bombings occurred on the Circle line near Aldgate and at Edgware Road, and on the Piccadilly line near Russell Square.

Fifty-two people, all UK residents but of 18 different nationalities, were killed and more than 700 were injured in the attacks, making it Britain's deadliest terrorist incident since the 1988 bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, as well as the country's first Islamic suicide attack.
The Cumbria shootings occurred on 2 June 2010 when a lone gunman, Derrick Bird, killed 12 people and injured 11 others before killing himself in Cumbria, England. Along with the 1987 Hungerford massacre, the 1989 Monkseaton shootings, and the 1996 Dunblane school massacre, it is one of the worst criminal acts involving firearms in British history.
On 22 March 2017, a terrorist attack took place outside the Palace of Westminster in London, seat of the British Parliament. The attacker, 52-year-old Briton Khalid Masood, drove a car into pedestrians on the pavement along the south side of Westminster Bridge and Bridge Street, injuring more than 50 people, five of them fatally. He then crashed the car into the perimeter fence of the Palace grounds and ran into New Palace Yard, where he fatally stabbed an unarmed police officer. He was then shot by an armed police officer and died at the scene.
The Manchester Arena bombing was a suicide bombing attack in Manchester, United Kingdom on 22 May 2017. An Islamist detonated a shrapnel-laden homemade bomb as people were leaving Manchester Arena following a concert by the American singer Ariana Grande. The incident was treated as an act of terrorism.

Twenty-three people were killed, including the attacker, and 139 were wounded, more than half of them children. Several hundred more suffered psychological trauma. The bomber was Salman Ramadan Abedi, a 22-year-old local man of Libyan ancestry who had recently returned from Libya. After initial suspicions of a terrorist network, police later said they believed Abedi had largely acted alone but that others had been aware of his plans.
On 3 June 2017, a terrorist attack involving vehicle-ramming and stabbing took place in London, England. A van was deliberately driven into pedestrians on London Bridge before crashing on the south bank of the River Thames. Its three occupants then ran to the nearby Borough Market area and began stabbing people in and around restaurants and pubs. The attackers were Islamists inspired by Islamic State (ISIS).[8] They were shot dead by Metropolitan Police officers and were found to be wearing fake explosive vests.[9] Eight people were killed and 48 were injured, including four unarmed police officers who attempted to stop the assailants.
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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by DBTrek » Fri Jun 08, 2018 3:21 pm

Montegriffo wrote:
Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:40 pm
If we are to reduce gang violence then a halt to Police cutbacks will have the greatest effect.
Rising gang violence has gone hand in hand with a reduction in police manpower.
It has nothing to do with importing criminals and turning a blind eye to their crimes for fear of being labeled “racist”, folks. It’s because we aren’t taxing the rich enough.

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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by Montegriffo » Fri Jun 08, 2018 3:52 pm

Otern wrote:
Fri Jun 08, 2018 3:04 pm
Montegriffo wrote:
Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:40 pm
The UK handgun ban was not intended to reduce overall crime. It was intended to eliminate mass shootings, which it has done very successfully.
If we are to reduce gang violence then a halt to Police cutbacks will have the greatest effect.
Rising gang violence has gone hand in hand with a reduction in police manpower.
The Tories have abandoned their love of law and order to pursue a policy of austerity.
I'm talking about the general gun laws and knife laws that came in the nineties, not the ones inspired by mass shootings. The bans didn't lower the crime rate, as the crime rate was already low.

Also, you didn't completely eliminate mass shootings. As one happened after all your gun laws were in place some years ago.
One mass shooting in 22 years, I call that successful. Compare that with countries which consider gun ownership a right instead of a privilege.
For legal reasons, we are not threatening to destroy U.S. government property with our glorious medieval siege engine. But if we wanted to, we could. But we won’t. But we could.
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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by Montegriffo » Fri Jun 08, 2018 3:56 pm

DBTrek wrote:
Fri Jun 08, 2018 3:21 pm
Montegriffo wrote:
Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:40 pm
If we are to reduce gang violence then a halt to Police cutbacks will have the greatest effect.
Rising gang violence has gone hand in hand with a reduction in police manpower.
It has nothing to do with importing criminals and turning a blind eye to their crimes for fear of being labeled “racist”, folks. It’s because we aren’t taxing the rich enough.

Like clockwork.
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You have evidence to show that the recent rise in violent crime is due to importing criminals or are you just making assumptions based on feelz?
For legal reasons, we are not threatening to destroy U.S. government property with our glorious medieval siege engine. But if we wanted to, we could. But we won’t. But we could.
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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by Otern » Fri Jun 08, 2018 3:57 pm

Montegriffo wrote:
Fri Jun 08, 2018 3:52 pm

One mass shooting in 22 years, I call that successful. Compare that with countries which consider gun ownership a right instead of a privilege.
The Czechs still have a lower murder rate than you. They consider gun ownership a right too, and they don't have a lot of problems with it.

And I wasn't even focusing on the guns here. It's the knives, and the silly laws that came in the nineties.

You said these laws helped, but they evidently didn't help. Let me put it in simple terms: You have a low crime rate, then add more regulations, and the crime rate is still low. Would that mean the regulations added, is what made the crime rate low? No, because the crime rate was low BEFORE the regulations were put in place.

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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by Okeefenokee » Fri Jun 08, 2018 3:59 pm

Montegriffo wrote:
Fri Jun 08, 2018 3:56 pm
DBTrek wrote:
Fri Jun 08, 2018 3:21 pm
Montegriffo wrote:
Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:40 pm
If we are to reduce gang violence then a halt to Police cutbacks will have the greatest effect.
Rising gang violence has gone hand in hand with a reduction in police manpower.
It has nothing to do with importing criminals and turning a blind eye to their crimes for fear of being labeled “racist”, folks. It’s because we aren’t taxing the rich enough.

Like clockwork.
:lol:
You have evidence to show that the recent rise in violent crime is due to importing criminals or are you just making assumptions based on feelz?
Germany university found that a 10.4 percent increase in violent crime was linked to an influx of migrants into the country's southern region.

The increase in crime took place in 2015 and 2016 at the height of the European migration crisis, when German Chancellor Angela Merkel ignored E.U. rules and allowed an open-door policy for migrants entering the state from war-torn Syria.

More than 90 percent of the 10.4 percent increase in reported violent crimes was attributed to young male migrants in Germany's southern state of Lower Saxony, according to a new study from the Zurich University of Applied Sciences. A huge wave of migrants flooded into the European Union in 2015 from countries through Greece and Turkey that led to more than one million migrants applying for asylum in Germany.

The study funded by Germany's Ministry of Family Affairs found that many violent crimes reported by police in that time linked to male migrants between 14 and 30 years old, according to Deutsche Welle. Violent crimes were significantly less likely to be committed by male migrants from Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria than they were by male migrants from northern Africa, the study said.
http://www.newsweek.com/migrants-europe ... udy-770105
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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by DBTrek » Fri Jun 08, 2018 4:01 pm

Montegriffo wrote:
Fri Jun 08, 2018 3:56 pm

You have evidence to show that the recent rise in violent crime is due to importing criminals or are you just making assumptions based on feelz?

You’d be in a stronger position to demand evidence if you actually presented some of your own, king-feelz.
;)

As it is, you just look like another vapid water-toter trying to hold others to standards you can’t meet yourself.

I see you lured Okee into showing more evidence than you’ve ever presented for your own views. Well done. He must have more faith in you being swayed by facts than I do.
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