DACA

[Xenophon]

[Montegriffo]

@Monty

Who is this Monty?
It's going to cause confusion having someone with a name so similar to mine.

[The Conservative]

I can't support kicking out a 15 year old who can't even remember living anywhere but here.

And I can't support all Americans living below a living wage, I guess we are all going to be disappointed in what life gives us, huh?

[PartyOf5]

If a family breaks into your house while you're away and start to live there. They use your furniture and eat your food. They don't break anything much and actually keep the place cleaner than you do by yourself.

What do you do when you come home?

1. Let them stay.
2. Throw them all out.
3. Throw out the parents only.

4. Hire them to clean your home. Pay in cash of course.

[doc_loliday]

The only reason the candy bar analogy fails is because it's a single candy bar. It's more like the stolen candy bars keep coming and they keep getting eaten and nobody has found out yet. Just because it sucks so hard to have the candy bars cut off is no reason to not cut them off. Stolen property is really a great analogy, the only reason you don't like it is because it so accurately describes what's happening. Go to a hospital in much of California. Look around for 5 minutes in Los Angeles. Infrastructure and education is terribly expensive. Tell me resources aren't being used. I don't live in an open borders country, I live in one that has laws, and foreigners don't get to dictate our laws because it totally sucks so hard otherwise. Direct your anger towards those that fucked up, the parents.

[The Conservative]

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[Okeefenokee]

This has been thrilling, but I honestly don't know how to explain my position in a clearer way. In fact, by some of the responses, I get the impression that people aren't disagreeing with what I am arguing, as much as they find it totally incomprehensible.

/shrug

Why you don't understand that it is the parents as those doing the punishing is incomprehensible to me. The parents know they are breaking the law and they know they risk having their children grow up in another country only to get deported. It's simply not our job to make better parents out of all of you.

[Okeefenokee]

I wonder what country you can go to, rob a store, give the goods to someone else and then cry when the goods are seized. Why are you punishing them? They really liked what I gave them!


Because it wasn't yours to begin with numbnuts, no matter how attached the recipient became to the stolen goods.

+1

[Viktorthepirate]

I can't support kicking out a 15 year old who can't even remember living anywhere but here.

Great, we'll send them all to your house and you can take care of them. You might need a somewhat larger house, but I'm sure you'll have no problem spending your own money on that. It will probably overwhelm your local school system too, but again I'm sure you're fine with a hefty property tax hike on your new home - although your neighbors might not appreciate it much. Don't expect big govt handouts though, as it happens we're pretty much broke and living on borrowed time/money as it is.

I wouldn't be able to look that person in the eye (and I've known more than a few) and tell them they have to go back, so I won't have someone else do it for me.

It's illogical of course. We have to draw the line somewhere. But it's also illogical to send a platoon of guys to risk their lives to recover the body of a comrade, you can end up losing live soldiers to bring back a dead one, but we do it anyways because it's important to us on a visceral level.

When I was recruiting I had to turn away good young boys because they didn't have a green card while I'd have to try and convince some piece of shit to join the Army.

I support kicking a criminal "dreamer" out. But if they have lived here all their lives and are otherwise good citizens, I think we should give them a chance to earn citizenship. Perhaps with some kind of service to the nation requirement.

there are two narratives. You got the gang banger piece of shit who has done nothing but harm this nation and shouldn't be here anyways. But than you've also got a guy who doesn't speak Spanish, came here at 1 year old and wants nothing more than to serve his country. I've met only the latter personally.

[The Conservative]

I can't support kicking out a 15 year old who can't even remember living anywhere but here.

Great, we'll send them all to your house and you can take care of them. You might need a somewhat larger house, but I'm sure you'll have no problem spending your own money on that. It will probably overwhelm your local school system too, but again I'm sure you're fine with a hefty property tax hike on your new home - although your neighbors might not appreciate it much. Don't expect big govt handouts though, as it happens we're pretty much broke and living on borrowed time/money as it is.

I wouldn't be able to look that person in the eye (and I've known more than a few) and tell them they have to go back, so I won't have someone else do it for me.

It's illogical of course. We have to draw the line somewhere. But it's also illogical to send a platoon of guys to risk their lives to recover the body of a comrade, you can end up losing live soldiers to bring back a dead one, but we do it anyways because it's important to us on a visceral level.

When I was recruiting I had to turn away good young boys because they didn't have a green card while I'd have to try and convince some piece of shit to join the Army.

I support kicking a criminal "dreamer" out. But if they have lived here all their lives and are otherwise good citizens, I think we should give them a chance to earn citizenship. Perhaps with some kind of service to the nation requirement.

there are two narratives. You got the gang banger piece of shit who has done nothing but harm this nation and shouldn't be here anyways. But than you've also got a guy who doesn't speak Spanish, came here at 1 year old and wants nothing more than to serve his country. I've met only the latter personally.

100% of Dreamers are Criminal by proxy.