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Re: UK election

Post by Montegriffo » Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:52 pm

StCapps wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:36 pm
Montegriffo wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:12 pm
StCapps wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:10 am
The Tories are closer to 40, are you even following the polls? Because apparently not, the aggregate has them at 38-39%, not 30%. Check again.
Hadn't noticed the recent drop in BP votes. They're running at about half of what they were a couple of weeks ago and are predicted to win zero seats. Even the Greens are predicted to win one seat. All they are doing is getting in Boris's way.
Not if Brexit stands down in the seats where Conservatives can win, and even if they don't do that, the Brexit crowd will simply vote strategically in those ridings.
A lot of people on both sides of the divide are going to be voting tactically.
Many constituencies won't have candidates from all the parties standing.
Honestly, I'd rather have Boris than Corbyn as PM but I want to see a referendum on any deal agreed in Parliament as it is such a momentous
decision. I'm probably going to vote Lib Dem for the first time but as my constituency is a pretty safe Tory seat it won't make any difference.
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Re: UK election

Post by Hastur » Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:42 am

It will soon be 7 years ago that Cameron promised a referendum. I don't understand why some people are still trying to complicate things. Everyone knows what the Brexit vote was about.
... and when we have negotiated that new settlement, we will give the British people a referendum with a very simple In or Out choice, to stay in the European Union on these new terms or come out altogether.
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Re: UK election

Post by Montegriffo » Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:03 am

Hastur wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:42 am
Everyone knows what the Brexit vote was about.

Yes, it was about the Tories losing votes to UKIP.
Cameron was scared that Labour would win the next election if UKIP continued to increase their share of the right-wing vote.
Unfortunately, the Remain side underestimated how much the Leave side was prepared to lie to the public and break electoral law so they only came up with a half-arsed campaign and lost by a tiny minority.
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Re: UK election

Post by Montegriffo » Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:27 am

...Meanwhile, Farage is running around today telling anyone who'll listen that Boris has been offering peerages to BP candidates on condition that they don't stand for election.
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Re: UK election

Post by StCapps » Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:33 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:03 am
Hastur wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:42 am
Everyone knows what the Brexit vote was about.

Yes, it was about the Tories losing votes to UKIP.
Cameron was scared that Labour would win the next election if UKIP continued to increase their share of the right-wing vote.
Unfortunately, the Remain side underestimated how much the Leave side was prepared to lie to the public and break electoral law so they only came up with a half-arsed campaign and lost by a tiny minority.
Telling lies in a political campaign is not breaking the law, or you'd have to arrest every politician on all sides and many of their supporters. Lying is part of politics, you're pretending it isn't doesn't change reality and it certainly doesn't make it illegal. If the Remain side expected their political opponents to play with kid gloves while they told all the lies, they are dumbest motherfuckers ever, that does not invalidate the results.
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Re: UK election

Post by Montegriffo » Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:49 am

Misleading the public certainly is a crime as shown by the courts deeming that Boris had a case to answer for his lies on a bus.
The case is currently awaiting appeal in the Supreme Court after the Crown Court ruled there was insufficient evidence to proceed.
The case wouldn't even have got to the Magistrate's Court if there was nothing illegal about politicians lying to the public.
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Re: UK election

Post by Montegriffo » Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:53 am

Making promises you don't intend to keep is one thing but outright lies about how much money goes to the EU every week in order to mislead the public is a whole different level of lying.
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Re: UK election

Post by StCapps » Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:57 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:49 am
Misleading the public certainly is a crime as shown by the courts deeming that Boris had a case to answer for his lies on a bus.
The case is currently awaiting appeal in the Supreme Court after the Crown Court ruled there was insufficient evidence to proceed.
The case wouldn't even have got to the Magistrate's Court if there was nothing illegal about politicians lying to the public.
Polticians misleading the public is not a crime, the courts have shown no such thing, or every politician in the UK would have been arrested and charged with that crime. Your interpretation is due entirely to ignorance of the law, of course there was insufficient evidence to proceed, because there was no fucking crime.
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Re: UK election

Post by Montegriffo » Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:02 am

StCapps wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:57 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:49 am
Misleading the public certainly is a crime as shown by the courts deeming that Boris had a case to answer for his lies on a bus.
The case is currently awaiting appeal in the Supreme Court after the Crown Court ruled there was insufficient evidence to proceed.
The case wouldn't even have got to the Magistrate's Court if there was nothing illegal about politicians lying to the public.
Misleading the public is not a crime, the courts have shown no such thing. Your interpretation is due entirely to ignorance of the law.
A public official deliberately misleading the public is a crime as shown by the court ruling that the former Mayor had a case to answer.
If it was not a crime then no prosecution would have proceeded.
It doesn't take a law degree to understand that.
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Re: UK election

Post by StCapps » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:08 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:02 am
StCapps wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:57 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:49 am
Misleading the public certainly is a crime as shown by the courts deeming that Boris had a case to answer for his lies on a bus.
The case is currently awaiting appeal in the Supreme Court after the Crown Court ruled there was insufficient evidence to proceed.
The case wouldn't even have got to the Magistrate's Court if there was nothing illegal about politicians lying to the public.
Misleading the public is not a crime, the courts have shown no such thing. Your interpretation is due entirely to ignorance of the law.
A public official deliberately misleading the public is a crime as shown by the court ruling that the former Mayor had a case to answer.
If it was not a crime then no prosecution would have proceeded.
It doesn't take a law degree to understand that.
The prosecution was entirely politically based, had jack shit to do with the law. Which is why it got struck down. There is no such law, if there was it doesn't require a law degree to figure out every politician under the sun would get charged with that crime, which is why it isn't a crime, because that would a ridiculous state of affairs.

You simply want it to be the law, despite how ridiculous it would be if it was a law, wishful thinking is a helluva drug.
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