Urban vs. Rural; What's to be done?

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

If every low population density area has their own plants to process the rare earth materials needed for the control systems for clean power generation (assuming those materials are even available, which they probably aren't), the foundries for the steel and other materials needed for the structures, the machines needed to get all of that (and presumably, the infrastructure to build those machines), and your idyllic lands are gonna get trashed.

Modern civilization is built on specializing and trade. Not everyone DIYing their power needs.

[C-Mag]

Anecdotes and feelz are not statistical proof. You take it as a fact that city dwellers pollute more per capita, prove it. Do 100 rural dwellers driving to market to buy local produce really use less carbon than 100 city dwellers walking to a market to buy transported produce? Prove it.

Hah. I gave you creditable examples. You want Metrics and Stats. Here.
Number of days annually native herd animals traffic and use Buffalo NY salt licks pre-development, 365. Number of days annually native herd animals traffic and use Buffalo NY salt licks today ZERO.

[StCapps]

It'a actually garbage.

How would you know? You only watched The Expanse, you have nothing to compare it to. You assume it's garbage, but that assumption is based on ignorance.

How the hell do you think I came to the decision to unplug from the propaganda? Damn, you are fucking slow. You should consume less television and read more

I think you watched you watched too many bad shows, and not enough good ones, and then gave up in ignorance thinking there was no good shows. You are fucking slow, your decision was not based on quality of television, that I can tell you.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Oh, and I forgot...

All those new people to do the labor for all of that infrastructure, and your population density goes up, you start making more waste per square mile, you start getting more anti-social behavior, and you have to start shipping in food, since you can no longer locally produce everything you need, what with the earth getting eaten up in the search for for raw materials for microchips, and copper wire, and steel, and polymers, and everything else.

Go back to rollin' coal you hayseeds, and let the Urbanites do the thinking so ya don't hurt yourselves.

[PartyOf5]

You are making a claim that an urban dweller is less environmental than a rural dweller. Prove it. Pointing to the density of waste due to density of people does not do that. Cities have more environmental impact per sq mile but not per capita.

Then why don't you prove your statement?

[PartyOf5]

Watch those locally sourced, self-sufficiently built, power plants get a lot less eco-friendly with local foundries, local mines, and local chemical plants needed to build 'em. Or, ya gonna ship in all that stuff from... ya know... cities?

Nitwits

How many mines are located in NY or LA?

[C-Mag]

The Wholesale Destruction of the Los Angeles River Ecosystem
The River and its rich plant and animal habitat provided a livelihood for the Gabrielino Indians, one of the largest group of Indians in North America. Although it is unclear today what this group called themselves, they are referred to as the Tongva. Over 1000 years ago, the Tongva established a settlement on the banks of the River near where Los Angeles City Hall stands today. They were designated by missionaries as the Gabrielino for the Mission San Gabriel in Los Angeles County, and included a smaller group, the Fernandeño for the San Fernando Mission in the San Fernando Valley. Gabrielino territory encompassed much of present-day Los Angeles and Orange Counties, including Santa Catalina, as well as parts of San Bernardino and Riverside Counties.

In 1769, Spanish explorers found more than two hundred Indians at the Yangna site of what is now downtown Los Angeles near Union Station, west of the River. Gaspar de Portolá was the first European to pass through the region, naming the River "Rio de Porciúncula". Later, in 1776, Juan Bautista de Anza led an expedition to establish an exploratory route from Mexico to San Francisco, where he and colonists founded a mission and presidio. As important as the River was to the Gabrielino, it was also a pivotal part of the European existence in California.

Three centuries ago, the Los Angeles River was a rich riparian ecosystem—a burbling channel meandering along the base of the Santa Monica Mountains and through miles of wetlands and marshes. Cottonwoods and oaks dotted its banks. Grizzly bears hunted for steelhead along its shores.

That watershed would be unrecognizable to Angelenos today. Buried beneath miles of riprap and cinder block walls, hidden behind warehouses and chain-link fence, the Los Angeles River is little more than a sprawling drain. Except for three areas—in the Sepulveda Basin, the Glendale Narrows, and Long Beach—the entire length of the riverbed is encased in concrete, making it a flood-control channel on the one hand and a dumping ground on the other; for some, a canvas for graffiti, while for others, a place to fish, to jog, to daydream. The "river" has been a scene-setter for Grease, The Italian Job, and Terminator 2. Its steep walls slope and curve through some 32 miles of L.A., with the remaining span twisting through Compton, Long Beach, and 14 other cities. This serpentine gray scar zigzagging around freeways and city streets seems to lack a purpose, or an identity.

An entire riparian ecosystem destroyed, it's animal life, microorganisms and aquatics destroyed, the benefit of the waterway to migrating species across the hemisphere was destroyed. This is but one example of what cities have done to the environment. Urbanites mostly ignore the destruction as they demand more power, more highway for faster travel and more comforts to feed their egos. All the while every new structure and infrastructure continues the long term environmental destruction.



http://ladpw.org/wmd/watershed/LA/History.cfm
https://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/2018- ... fying-city

[PartyOf5]

Oh, and I forgot...

All those new people to do the labor for all of that infrastructure, and your population density goes up, you start making more waste per square mile, you start getting more anti-social behavior, and you have to start shipping in food, since you can no longer locally produce everything you need, what with the earth getting eaten up in the search for for raw materials for microchips, and copper wire, and steel, and polymers, and everything else.

Go back to rollin' coal you hayseeds, and let the Urbanites do the thinking so ya don't hurt yourselves.

So what you're saying is that more people leads to more waste and a greater negative effect on the environment. So basically cities.

The real solution is less people on the planet. I don't care how eco-friendly big city dwellers imagine they are, they all carry around smartphones and tablets. They all expel the dreaded CO2 that they tell us is so bad for the planet. They all use paved roads and sidewalks and live in buildings made of concrete, drywall, dead trees, and various other materials. They all run their A/C in the summer and the heat in the winter. A lot of them then escape to the country for the weekends to spend time on lakes and rivers because the ones in the big city either don't exist or are too polluted to swim in.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Watch those locally sourced, self-sufficiently built, power plants get a lot less eco-friendly with local foundries, local mines, and local chemical plants needed to build 'em. Or, ya gonna ship in all that stuff from... ya know... cities?

Nitwits

How many mines are located in NY or LA?

Not a lot. But us urbanites aren't claiming to be able to locally and cleanly source every part of the supply chain. We recognize the values of trade and specialization.

Pay attention before you chirp in hoss.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Oh, and I forgot...

All those new people to do the labor for all of that infrastructure, and your population density goes up, you start making more waste per square mile, you start getting more anti-social behavior, and you have to start shipping in food, since you can no longer locally produce everything you need, what with the earth getting eaten up in the search for for raw materials for microchips, and copper wire, and steel, and polymers, and everything else.

Go back to rollin' coal you hayseeds, and let the Urbanites do the thinking so ya don't hurt yourselves.

So what you're saying is that more people leads to more waste and a greater negative effect on the environment. So basically cities.

The real solution is less people on the planet. I don't care how eco-friendly big city dwellers imagine they are, they all carry around smartphones and tablets. They all expel the dreaded CO2 that they tell us is so bad for the planet. They all use paved roads and sidewalks and live in buildings made of concrete, drywall, dead trees, and various other materials. They all run their A/C in the summer and the heat in the winter. A lot of them then escape to the country for the weekends to spend time on lakes and rivers because the ones in the big city either don't exist or are too polluted to swim in.

Edgy. Start the culling edge lord.