Turtles vs. people with disabilities: The straw ban

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Turtles vs. people with disabilities: The straw ban

Post by PartyOf5 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:18 am

The latest "save the planet" craze is banning plastic straws. Seattle already has a ban on them, with other cities moving to do the same. Companies such as Starbucks are phasing them out by 2020. This all started when a turtle got one stuck in it's nose. Suddenly, plastic straws are as hated as Trump. Plastic bottles still seem to be fine, because liberals love their bottled water. use a straw however, and you are a turtle murderer.

As with a lot of Liberal do-gooder causes (like trying to ban paper bags in favor of plastic years back), there are unintended consequences. In the rush to feel good and wipe out the universe destroying plastic straws, they neglected to think about those who depend on them. People with disabilities use them not as a convenience, but as a way of staying alive in some cases. Using Liberal logic this makes the Liberals a bunch of ableists.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/20 ... e-flexible
On social media, many people have responded to claims that people with disabilities need plastic straws by asking what people did before plastic straws were invented. "They aspirated liquid in their lungs, developed pneumonia and died," says Shaun Bickley, co-chair of the Seattle Commission for People with DisAbilities,
In a post detailing how the plastic straw became the cause du jour for those who love the oceans, Dune Ives, executive director for the Lonely Whale Foundation, wrote, "We found plastic water bottles too endemic, plastic bags already somewhat politicized, and no viable alternative for the plastic cup in ALL markets." So they chose plastic straws, a "playful" alternative and a "'gateway plastic' to the larger and more serious plastic pollution conversation."
Ah. So it's not the biggest plastic problem, it just markets well with the public.

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Re: Turtles vs. people with disabilities: The straw ban

Post by Speaker to Animals » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:23 am

Stop universal enfranchisement.

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Re: Turtles vs. people with disabilities: The straw ban

Post by Ph64 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:28 am

Dune Ives, executive director for the Lonely Whale Foundation
How the hell do they know Whales are lonely? :roll:

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Post by Zlaxer » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:43 am

Would you guys relax - plastic in general is a big problem right now, and paper straws (which Ted’s Montana Grill has been using for years) work just fine. I have no issue with government stopping a tragedy of the commons when the tradeoff is inexpensive and decent. Plastics should be reserved for when their absolutley needed. Theres no market incentive to switch to paper - plastic is slightly cheaper, but the harm is significant.

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Re: Turtles vs. people with disabilities: The straw ban

Post by de officiis » Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:06 am

“Gateway plastic”
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Re: Turtles vs. people with disabilities: The straw ban

Post by PartyOf5 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:21 am

Zlaxer wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:43 am
Would you guys relax - plastic in general is a big problem right now, and paper straws (which Ted’s Montana Grill has been using for years) work just fine. I have no issue with government stopping a tragedy of the commons when the tradeoff is inexpensive and decent. Plastics should be reserved for when their absolutley needed. Theres no market incentive to switch to paper - plastic is slightly cheaper, but the harm is significant.
Did you read the article? It explains why paper doesn't work for many disabled. I'm fine with cutting back on plastic where there is a better alternative, but in the mad rush to suddenly ban something that we've been using for decades they are going to cause other problems. Then these same "save the world" types will blame the same corporations they chastised for using plastic straws for killing disabled by not making them available.

They pulled this same shit when the sudden screeching about paper bags came about. Everyone started banning paper and went to.......plastic. At the time, the save the earth types probably cheered on the change.

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Re: Turtles vs. people with disabilities: The straw ban

Post by Zlaxer » Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:41 am

PartyOf5 wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:21 am
Zlaxer wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:43 am
Would you guys relax - plastic in general is a big problem right now, and paper straws (which Ted’s Montana Grill has been using for years) work just fine. I have no issue with government stopping a tragedy of the commons when the tradeoff is inexpensive and decent. Plastics should be reserved for when their absolutley needed. Theres no market incentive to switch to paper - plastic is slightly cheaper, but the harm is significant.
Did you read the article? It explains why paper doesn't work for many disabled. I'm fine with cutting back on plastic where there is a better alternative, but in the mad rush to suddenly ban something that we've been using for decades they are going to cause other problems. Then these same "save the world" types will blame the same corporations they chastised for using plastic straws for killing disabled by not making them available.

They pulled this same shit when the sudden screeching about paper bags came about. Everyone started banning paper and went to.......plastic. At the time, the save the earth types probably cheered on the change.
Call me heartless - but I straight up don't believe that paper straws disintegrate too quickly or can be chewed through easier than plastic straws - Have you used one of the paper ones from Ted's? Seems like the author is digging hard to turn a cinder into a forrest fire.

Simple solution here is to allow a small exception for ADA - but I still doubt the "need".

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Re: Turtles vs. people with disabilities: The straw ban

Post by Speaker to Animals » Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:48 am

How about give people a choice.

Plastic is actually not bad at all. Dumping it in the fucking ocean is bad.

If banning plastic straws is okay because criminals and dysfunctional governments dump it in the water, then one could say something similar about birth control pills, which also end up dumped into the water and poisoning the entire fucking water supply.

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Post by Zlaxer » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:07 am

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:48 am
How about give people a choice.

Plastic is actually not bad at all. Dumping it in the fucking ocean is bad.

If banning plastic straws is okay because criminals and dysfunctional governments dump it in the water, then one could say something similar about birth control pills, which also end up dumped into the water and poisoning the entire fucking water supply.
Government and most people are too stupid to not dump. This nips the problem at the source. This is an appropriate use of government power IMHO - I'm convinced most people are too stupid and greedy for liberty and I don't want such proles ruining the oceans.

Good luck trying to prosecute people for dumping straws - sure the DNC will find a way to make such a law racial disparaging...

And we're talking about plastic straws - not a ban on soda....

you're opposition is based on the fact that the free market should decide if plastic straws are harmful or not - what do you think most proles will choose?

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Re: Turtles vs. people with disabilities: The straw ban

Post by Speaker to Animals » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:14 am

Zlaxer wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:07 am
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:48 am
How about give people a choice.

Plastic is actually not bad at all. Dumping it in the fucking ocean is bad.

If banning plastic straws is okay because criminals and dysfunctional governments dump it in the water, then one could say something similar about birth control pills, which also end up dumped into the water and poisoning the entire fucking water supply.
Government and most people are too stupid to not dump. This nips the problem at the source. This is an appropriate use of government power IMHO - I'm convinced most people are too stupid and greedy for liberty and I don't want such proles ruining the oceans.

Good luck trying to prosecute people for dumping straws - sure the DNC will find a way to make such a law racial disparaging...

And we're talking about plastic straws - not a ban on soda....

you're opposition is based on the fact that the free market should decide if plastic straws are harmful or not - what do you think most proles will choose?
Now substitute the word straws with the word guns.