USDA America’s Harvest Box - Blue Apron for the Poor

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USDA America’s Harvest Box - Blue Apron for the Poor

Post by C-Mag » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:10 am

Bloomberg - In what would be one of the biggest shakeups of the U.S. food-stamp program in its five-decade history, President Donald Trump is proposing to slash cash payments and substitute them with "100 percent American grown food" given to recipients.

The changes, outlined Monday in Trump’s budget proposal, would reshape the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP, which supports roughly one in eight Americans, by reducing cash spending by about one-third from current levels.

I kind of love this plan. What's the down side ?
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Re: USDA America’s Harvest Box - Blue Apron for the Poor

Post by Speaker to Animals » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:13 am

C-Mag wrote:
Bloomberg - In what would be one of the biggest shakeups of the U.S. food-stamp program in its five-decade history, President Donald Trump is proposing to slash cash payments and substitute them with "100 percent American grown food" given to recipients.

The changes, outlined Monday in Trump’s budget proposal, would reshape the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP, which supports roughly one in eight Americans, by reducing cash spending by about one-third from current levels.

I kind of love this plan. What's the down side ?

Not sure what the details are, but if it's like a government-run "blue apron", then the main problems would be that people could lack access to sufficient kitchen resources, tools and implements, electricity, and even time to prepare the food. Also, I shudder to imagine the Blue Apron meal plans decided upon by a government bureaucracy whose purpose is to prop up the food and agricultural industries with more subsidies.


Personally, I think the solution is to not fuck much with the food assistance at the federal level, per se, but rather at the local level we ought to set aside land for community farming. I would go about it more like the Inca did with the Mita system.

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Re: USDA America’s Harvest Box - Blue Apron for the Poor

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:16 am

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-bu ... mps-2018-2
President Donald Trump's new fiscal year 2019 budget includes a radical proposed change to the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, typically referred to as food stamps, that would see part of the program turn into a meal-delivery service.

As part of the budget, the Department of Agriculture — which runs the SNAP program — would send basic food items to households receiving more than $90 a month in SNAP assistance in boxes.

"Under the proposal, households receiving $90 or more per month in SNAP benefits will receive a portion of their benefits in the form of a USDA Foods package, which would include items such as shelf-stable milk, ready to eat cereals, pasta, peanut butter, beans and canned fruit, vegetables, and meat, poultry or fish," the budget reads.
Welcome back to Government Cheese. That's going to be some shitty-assed food, wow. We used to do this in the 50s-60s, and it was more like starvation rations.

Not to mention that the overhead cost of purchasing, packaging, shipping food to a few million people every week or two is going to cost us billions.
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Post by C-Mag » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:20 am

Here's the USDA paper on it.
https://www.agri-pulse.com/ext/resource ... st-Box.pdf

BroGrump, can't be that much worse than what's in our grocery stores.......... you know that. Plus it would reduce fraud and purchase of little to no nutritional value.

I'm interested, need to learn more.
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Post by Speaker to Animals » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:23 am

C-Mag wrote:Here's the USDA paper on it.
https://www.agri-pulse.com/ext/resource ... st-Box.pdf

BroGrump, can't be that much worse than what's in our grocery stores.......... you know that. Plus it would reduce fraud and purchase of little to no nutritional value.

I'm interested, need to learn more.

Our grocery stores have pretty amazing produce and meat sections, actually.

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Post by Fife » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:24 am

Broken windows, everywhere.

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Post by C-Mag » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:29 am

about 81 percent of SNAP households would be impacted by this proposal.

• The amount of food received per household would be scaled to the overall size of the household’s SNAP
allotment, ultimately representing about half of their benefits. SNAP participants would receive
domestically-sourced and produced food in lieu of a portion of their SNAP benefits.

• USDA would utilize a model similar to that currently used to distribute USDA Foods to other nutrition
assistance programs to provide staple, shelf-stable foods (such as shelf-stable milk, juice, grains, ready-eat cereals,
pasta, peanut butter, beans, canned meat, poultry or fish, and canned fruits and vegetables) to SNAP
households at approximately half the retail cost.
Looks like it would be shelf stable foods. Still not seeing a problem with it.
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Re: USDA America’s Harvest Box - Blue Apron for the Poor

Post by Speaker to Animals » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:31 am

Community farms. People should grow their own food. Supplement that with food assistance for dairy, meats, and grains that they buy at the store.

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Post by C-Mag » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:33 am

Speaker to Animals wrote:Community farms. People should grow their own food.
I agree.............. back in the day before Food Stamps that's how things were handled, the County Poor Farm. People didn't stay on the County Poor Farm for Generations.
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Re: USDA America’s Harvest Box - Blue Apron for the Poor

Post by Fife » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:37 am

Cui bono?