Microsoft SJW

[Martin Hash]

6.7% of women graduate with STEM degrees
That's what it says when I bring my Windows 10 machines back from sleeping. I actually had to do research to see WTF they meant because the statement is totally misleading. FIRST, that's verses 17% for men. Next, 58% of undergraduate college students are women, and two-thirds of Graduate School. And most killer, 16% of women worldwide graduate STEM which means this phenomena is ONLY in the U.S., and I know why: any woman smart enough to get through STEM goes into Law & Medicine which is 60% women graduates, and that's WITH gender-balancing, otherwise it would be higher than that.

In comparison, less than 1% are women in the fields of trash collection, masonry & septic tank servicing.

And finally, PBS says bullshit.

Fuck SJWs.

[TheReal_ND]

From what I've been hearing from gen y, they've basically written off getting a good job in tech with a degree in America. A lot of those podcasts I listen to, they consider trades more valuable now.

ETA: I think I will go get an associates to practice EMT or something if I get layed off or fired. I'm pretty much at the top of what I can expect to get concerning benefits and wage for unskilled labor working at the mill.

ETAA: probably should just say fuck it and work my way up through an electrical guild or get back into refinieries though

[Speaker to Animals]

The thing about tech is that we have to start over and build our own businesses, but the way the patent system is run (especially the software patents which need to be abolished), it's very difficult to do that.

If you are very smart, you can get into the algorithm business, I suppose. Patent that and then license it to the big companies or sell it to one for their patent portfolio.

The patent system needs an overhaul to make the industry more competitive and functional. Patents should be very difficult to obtain instead of easy, and they should be quite limited in time.

Right now, the best way into tech is working for a large corporation. But there are only so many jobs that are not getting offshored or filled with H1B immigrants. So it's not really a great field any longer for anybody with a ho-hum undergraduate degree. You need more. Or you need to let us innovate again and not get shut out with crazy patents.

[TheReal_ND]

Yeah I should add that in the gen y podcast I just listened to they still consider it worthwhile if you're a genius. I think the thing is that they know the market is over saturated and the cost to benefit ratio is panning out to the point where someone that can make 20+ an hour and be able to work anywhere, debt free, is actually more esteemed in their minds.

[Speaker to Animals]

Yeah I should add that in the gen y podcast I just listened to they still consider it worthwhile if you're a genius. I think the thing is that they know the market is over saturated and the cost to benefit ratio is panning out to the point where someone that can make 20+ an hour and be able to work anywhere, debt free, is actually more esteemed in their minds.

I don't think there is anywhere left that is so great for the average person except for trades. Even law and medicine are getting saturated. The lawyer apocalypse is already upon us with lawyers driving uber taxis now at night to pay the bills.

By destroying the middle class jobs with offshoring and the importation of foreign H1B workers to replace Americans on the cheap, what careers remain are totally saturated with people scrambling to maintain their quality of life.

It might be better for most people to just say fuck it, check out, save up for the first fifteen to twenty years or so of hard word, and literally buy a farm.

[Speaker to Animals]

And like I said before about the patent industry.. it's actually kind of difficult to break into the tech industry these days unless you are doing something really pedestrian, which is risky. Most major sectors are totally locked down by major corporations with patent portfolios for the most ridiculous bullshit.

Some of these corporations actually require software engineers to file some quota number of software patents every year just to keep this farce going.

The end result is that innovation is slowing down and the ability to actually break into a sector with a new business idea is very, very difficult without major backing from some venture capital and their own legal team to navigate through the legal minefields. This means less jobs in general but less ability for talented people to innovate and start new businesses.

It's part of why we are slowing down and declining right now.

[Speaker to Animals]

And this idea that we need more women in STEM is crazy. Women don't want to go into STEM, they generally suck at it even when they have talent for it, and you just end up destroying the academic programs when you do that.

I wish I could find the article, but I read somewhere that some English universities decided to make it mandatory quota that half the students in certain STEM fields were females. So no matter what, some portion of the female applicants got accepted even if they weren't technically qualified. These women burned out and left the program half way through, taking the tuition with them, and the programs had to be shut down because of the affirmative action.

To Martin's point on the lawyers.. Peterson was talking about how he consulted for the top law firms for years, and he saw most women who were very talented, make partner, and then walk away because it wasn't the life they wanted for themselves.

It might be the exact opposite is needed here. We might need to focus more on men and encourage women to stay away from college. It isn't working out well for most of them. They end up in a lot of debt. They always want to marry men who make more money than them or they won't be happy. But the more they earn, the less men fit the bill. Further, they don't like the careers they were shuffled into. Female happiness has been plummeting.

Meanwhile, male participation in the economy has been falling, and we are losing innovation and productivity because of it.

I think we need to focus on getting more men back into stem, defeminize the universities and workplaces, and try to turn this ship around before it crashes into that iceberg.

[I just Lurk]

From what I've been hearing from gen y, they've basically written off getting a good job in tech with a degree in America. A lot of those podcasts I listen to, they consider trades more valuable now.

ETA: I think I will go get an associates to practice EMT or something if I get layed off or fired. I'm pretty much at the top of what I can expect to get concerning benefits and wage for unskilled labor working at the mill.

ETAA: probably should just say fuck it and work my way up through an electrical guild or get back into refinieries though

I googled "jobs that dont involve talking to other people" a month ago.

Electrician seemed to be the best job that didnt reqiure years of schooling

My biggest concern is that i might be competing with illegals. Is this a problem for electricians?

[Speaker to Animals]

My biggest concern is that i might be competing with illegals. Is this a problem for electricians?

Doubtful. You will be working around a lot of illegals. Something like is too high risk. Wiring a house wrong could be fatal, and God help the general contractor in the aftermath of a fire from shoddy electrical work that was completed by some illegal he hired whom nobody can find. Also, a union state I suspect has strict rules about that kind of work that makes it harder for illegals.

[TheReal_ND]

Not for electricians. Illegals are mostly unskilled labor though truthfully they are far more skilled than our unskilled labor. Nobody is going to let a team of illegals wire up anything more than a seven eleven though.