Talking to the other side - Antifa

[jediuser598]

I believe that in order to understand our fellow man, we have to talk to our fellow man. I happened to be assigned to such a gentleman tonight in the course of my work, and he was to teach me what he could. What really happened? Well we debated for about 4 hours about politics (hoorah, public sector job).

He wouldn't admit to being Antifa, but I'm guessing he pretty much was. It is as bad as you guys think it was. I started basic, epistemology. I asked him a simple tautology, is it true that an axiom is an axiom. He responded that yes, that was true, then I asked him does truth exist? He said he did not know. We didn't get much further than, he doesn't believe that anything exists and nothing is happening, that change does not exist, or that he doesn't know if change exists, even though that change exists is axiomatic.

Next we went onto political violence. He believes that free speech should have a hate speech exception. I asked him, "If I burned the Koran, do you believe that should be legal?" He said "Yes, but if Muslims come and then kill you, then the law should step aside and let it happen, as you should take responsibility for your actions." He also believes that any neo-nazis should be imprisoned and/or killed.

I made the point to him that when he uses violence against neo-nazis, a punch isn't going to do much at all in stopping them in their beliefs, more it will embolden them, that the conclusion he's going to reach is that he's going to have to kill them, to which he responded, "That is correct."

So that's the enemy, or at least one of the enemy, from a first hand experience.

[de officiis]

So did you learn that you can't reason with an irrational child? Anyone who's raised a toddler understands that.

[Ex-California]

When did you finally knock him out?

[Kazmyr]

When did you finally knock him out?

Using his logic, that would only embolden him.

Jedi would need to, you know....



:snicker:

[jediuser598]

So did you learn that you can't reason with an irrational child? Anyone who's raised a toddler understands that.

You know the thing about people being wrong, is for some, they so absolutely believe they are right. They have this confidence, they really believe they are right and that whosoever is trying to argue them out of their position is trying to argue them out of what is absolutely true, that the person trying to argue them out of it is either an idiot or severely misguided. Even in the face of clear logical proof that they're wrong, they believe they're right, and they're confident of it. They would bet their life on it, without blinking, if it came to that. I guess that's why I argue with adult toddlers, because I like to poke that absolute confidence, because absolute confidence bothers me.

[apeman]

well put jedi

[de officiis]

So did you learn that you can't reason with an irrational child? Anyone who's raised a toddler understands that.

You know the thing about people being wrong, is for some, they so absolutely believe they are right. They have this confidence, they really believe they are right and that whosoever is trying to argue them out of their position is trying to argue them out of what is absolutely true, that the person trying to argue them out of it is either an idiot or severely misguided. Even in the face of clear logical proof that they're wrong, they believe they're right, and they're confident of it. They would bet their life on it, without blinking, if it came to that. I guess that's why I argue with adult toddlers, because I like to poke that absolute confidence, because absolute confidence bothers me.

Well, you may be enjoying yourself but I find the mindset pretty disturbing. It directly conflicts with the foundations of our liberal democracy.

I sometimes wonder at how little regard people nowadays have for the gift we inherited in the form of our government. For love of power it has been betrayed and abused by Republicans and Democrats alike at the highest reaches of the Congressional and Executive branches, and for that reason it is little wonder that our Constitution and the liberty it protects is now depised by substantial groups within our society. Trump's election represents for many an attempt to regain control over our government and bring about some much-needed reforms. He is a blunt tool for that project, but HRC stood for more of the same. Whether Trump can restore any balance remains to be seen, but this destructive tantrum from the Left, with its oppressive disregard of the rights of others to be heard, is not helping.

[jediuser598]

So did you learn that you can't reason with an irrational child? Anyone who's raised a toddler understands that.

You know the thing about people being wrong, is for some, they so absolutely believe they are right. They have this confidence, they really believe they are right and that whosoever is trying to argue them out of their position is trying to argue them out of what is absolutely true, that the person trying to argue them out of it is either an idiot or severely misguided. Even in the face of clear logical proof that they're wrong, they believe they're right, and they're confident of it. They would bet their life on it, without blinking, if it came to that. I guess that's why I argue with adult toddlers, because I like to poke that absolute confidence, because absolute confidence bothers me.

Well, you may be enjoying yourself but I find the mindset pretty disturbing. It directly conflicts with the foundations of our liberal democracy.

I sometimes wonder at how little regard people nowadays have for the gift we inherited in the form of our government. For love of power it has been betrayed and abused by Republicans and Democrats alike at the highest reaches of the Congressional and Executive branches, and for that reason it is little wonder that our Constitution and the liberty it protects is now depised by substantial groups within our society. Trump's election represents for many an attempt to regain control over our government and bring about some much-needed reforms. He is a blunt tool for that project, but HRC stood for more of the same. Whether Trump can restore any balance remains to be seen, but this destructive tantrum from the Left, with its oppressive disregard of the rights of others to be heard, is not helping.

You think that Trump, a guy who is pro-torture (worse than water boarding) pro taking away second amendment rights without due process, pro muslim ban, was an attempt to bring about much needed reforms? Of what? Like seriously, the guy stress tested our democracy within his first hundred days, when he attempted to ban people from coming to our country on the basis of their religion. It's like bringing the devil to replace the father in order to reform the church and its sinful ways. What he has attempted to do directly conflicts with the foundations of our liberal democracy.

[Viktorthepirate]

He didn't ban on the basis or religion. It was country of origin.

Indonesia wasnt on the travel ban list.

[PartyOf5]

He didn't ban on the basis or religion. It was country of origin.

Indonesia wasnt on the travel ban list.

Stop poking at his absolute confidence.