The Property Clause and Its Discontents: Lessons from the Malheur Occupation

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The Property Clause and Its Discontents: Lessons from the Malheur Occupation

Post by de officiis » Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:46 am

The Property Clause and Its Discontents: Lessons from the Malheur Occupation

Michael Blumm - 43 Ecology L.Q. 781 (2016)

Abstract
The occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon by a group of armed militants led by Ammon Bundy during January 2016 spotlighted public land management to a largely oblivious American public. The militants’ month-long occupation was only the latest of several armed confrontations in recent years, one of them at Bundy’s father’s ranch in Nevada. What made the Malheur incident unusual were not only the length of the occupation but also the claims of the militants that their occupation was based on constitutional principles. We examine those claims in this article and find them meritless, wholly inconsistent with a long line of Supreme Court interpretations of the plenary federal power to manage federal public lands under the Property Clause.

Although there is no justifiable legal case against federal ownership and management of public lands, the militants and their sympathizers may succeed in their efforts to divest federal land management in the political arena, epitomized by the 2016 Republican Party platform endorsing federal divestiture. Conveying federal lands to the states, as urged particularly by the state of Utah, however, would be a recipe for privatizing a common birthright of all Americans and inconsistent with moral, if not legal obligations to future generations.
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Post by Fife » Sat Apr 01, 2017 6:35 am

I'm not inclined to grant a download based just on the abstract.

What's the TLDR on "Conveying federal lands to the states, as urged particularly by the state of Utah, however, would be a recipe for privatizing a common birthright of all Americans and inconsistent with moral, if not legal obligations to future generations."

What is meant by "conveying federal lands to the states," "privatizing," "common birthright," "moral obligations to future generations," "legal obligations to future generations?"

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Post by de officiis » Sat Apr 01, 2017 8:03 am

Fife wrote:I'm not inclined to grant a download based just on the abstract.

What's the TLDR on "Conveying federal lands to the states, as urged particularly by the state of Utah, however, would be a recipe for privatizing a common birthright of all Americans and inconsistent with moral, if not legal obligations to future generations."

What is meant by "conveying federal lands to the states," "privatizing," "common birthright," "moral obligations to future generations," "legal obligations to future generations?"
So many questions, so little time.
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Post by Fife » Sat Apr 01, 2017 8:44 am

But first, the Tranya!

Touche. :drunk:

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Post by SuburbanFarmer » Mon Apr 03, 2017 3:58 pm

Never forget. Blanket man died for our free grazing abuse of public land.
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His name is tarp man.
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Post by Speaker to Animals » Mon Apr 03, 2017 8:46 pm

Okeefenokee wrote:His name is tarp man.

Well, he won't do that again.

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Post by SuburbanFarmer » Mon Apr 03, 2017 8:49 pm

SJWs are a natural consequence of corporatism.

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de officiis wrote:The Property Clause and Its Discontents: Lessons from the Malheur Occupation

Michael Blumm - 43 Ecology L.Q. 781 (2016)
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Although there is no justifiable legal case against federal ownership and management of public lands
This is not true and there is historical precedence as well.

Docterine of the Equality of States
http://law.justia.com/constitution/us/a ... tates.html
State’s act of admission a clause providing that the State enters the Union “on an equal footing with the original States in all respects
Since the U.S. Constitution mandates that states be equal in sovereignty, a state like Nevada could easily argue that having 90% of it land in Federal hands is unfair based on land ownership percentage in Eastern states.
In addition the Equal Footing clause reinforces this case.
in United States v. Texas. 285 Since the original States had been found not to own the soil under the three mile belt, Texas, which concededly did own this soil before its annexation to the United States, was held to have surrendered its dominion and sovereignty over it, upon entering the Union on terms of equality with the existing States. - See more at: http://constitution.findlaw.com/article ... nn8YG.dpuf
In the 1820s Missouri was 90% government owned like Nevada and they weren't alone. Florida and Illinois were others that came together and argued it was unfair to have their states economic potential controlled by far away Washington DC. And obviously they won. It is merely time to repeat history and give Western States the same fair shot at self determination that other states have gotten.
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Post by jbird4049 » Mon Apr 03, 2017 11:38 pm

C-Mag wrote:
de officiis wrote:The Property Clause and Its Discontents: Lessons from the Malheur Occupation

Michael Blumm - 43 Ecology L.Q. 781 (2016)
Abstract

Although there is no justifiable legal case against federal ownership and management of public lands
This is not true and there is historical precedence as well.

Docterine of the Equality of States
http://law.justia.com/constitution/us/a ... tates.html
State’s act of admission a clause providing that the State enters the Union “on an equal footing with the original States in all respects
Since the U.S. Constitution mandates that states be equal in sovereignty, a state like Nevada could easily argue that having 90% of it land in Federal hands is unfair based on land ownership percentage in Eastern states.
In addition the Equal Footing clause reinforces this case.
in United States v. Texas. 285 Since the original States had been found not to own the soil under the three mile belt, Texas, which concededly did own this soil before its annexation to the United States, was held to have surrendered its dominion and sovereignty over it, upon entering the Union on terms of equality with the existing States. - See more at: http://constitution.findlaw.com/article ... nn8YG.dpuf
In the 1820s Missouri was 90% government owned like Nevada and they weren't alone. Florida and Illinois were others that came together and argued it was unfair to have their states economic potential controlled by far away Washington DC. And obviously they won. It is merely time to repeat history and give Western States the same fair shot at self determination that other states have gotten.
So people who had not yet completely exterminated the savages, who were already there, were mad when our national government told them "No, you can't have the all the territories to yourself"?

The sheer injustice of not allowing the greed of the settlers to run free.

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