U.S. "retaliates" against Russia

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U.S. "retaliates" against Russia

Post by Mercury » Thu Dec 29, 2016 4:39 pm

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/12/2 ... ert-moves/

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The Obama administration unveiled new sanctions against Russia aimed at its top intelligence services and officials in response to Moscow’s alleged use of cyberattacks to interfere with the U.S. election, and in response to what the U.S. said was mistreatment of its officials in Russia.
Without knowing the details/proof yet, if legit, is this appropriate or an overreach?
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Re: U.S. "retaliates" against Russia

Post by ssu » Thu Dec 29, 2016 4:46 pm

Mercury wrote:http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/12/2 ... ert-moves/

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The Obama administration unveiled new sanctions against Russia aimed at its top intelligence services and officials in response to Moscow’s alleged use of cyberattacks to interfere with the U.S. election, and in response to what the U.S. said was mistreatment of its officials in Russia.
Without knowing the details/proof yet, if legit, is this appropriate or an overreach?
At least it makes an example for the future.

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Re: U.S. "retaliates" against Russia

Post by Mercury » Thu Dec 29, 2016 4:55 pm

ssu wrote:
Mercury wrote:http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/12/2 ... ert-moves/

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The Obama administration unveiled new sanctions against Russia aimed at its top intelligence services and officials in response to Moscow’s alleged use of cyberattacks to interfere with the U.S. election, and in response to what the U.S. said was mistreatment of its officials in Russia.
Without knowing the details/proof yet, if legit, is this appropriate or an overreach?
At least it makes an example for the future.
Admittedly, I have been skeptical of the hacking claims thus far, but perhaps the Trump-Putin honeymoon is already over...
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Re: U.S. "retaliates" against Russia

Post by The Conservative » Thu Dec 29, 2016 4:57 pm

Mercury wrote:
ssu wrote:
Mercury wrote:http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/12/2 ... ert-moves/

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Without knowing the details/proof yet, if legit, is this appropriate or an overreach?
At least it makes an example for the future.
Admittedly, I have been skeptical of the hacking claims thus far, but perhaps the Trump-Putin honeymoon is already over...
This is Obama vs Putin... we will see what changes when Trump gets into office.
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Re: U.S. "retaliates" against Russia

Post by Smitty-48 » Thu Dec 29, 2016 5:00 pm

"Overreach"? The Russians are laughing at'chas, the Democrat Party losing its shit over internet trolling, is an embarassment to America, what a buncha clowns.
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Re: U.S. "retaliates" against Russia

Post by The Conservative » Thu Dec 29, 2016 5:04 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:"Overreach"? The Russians are laughing at'chas, the Democrat Party losing its shit over internet trolling, is an embarassment to America, what a buncha clowns.
I've been saying that about the Democrat party for a long time...
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Re: U.S. "retaliates" against Russia

Post by Mercury » Thu Dec 29, 2016 5:05 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:"Overreach"? The Russians are laughing at'chas, the Democrat Party losing its shit over internet trolling, is an embarassment to America, what a buncha clowns.
Yeah, I meant domestic-political overreach, as in "sabotaging the incoming administration's credibility" to some extent.
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Re: U.S. "retaliates" against Russia

Post by ssu » Thu Dec 29, 2016 5:19 pm

Mercury wrote:Admittedly, I have been skeptical of the hacking claims thus far, but perhaps the Trump-Putin honeymoon is already over...
It's not over. Trump just few days ago praised Putin's insight on a tweet and then was in denial about the hacking yesterday. And I assume Trump won't change his stance... much.

You see Trump starts with US-Russia ties at a low point. Then both leaders want to improve them. Yes, everything looks fine for Trump, case solved. "See, I was right, I and Putin can reason things out" Trump might tweet.

Then Putin does something somewhere that Trump simply cannot tolerate as the US president. And only then is the honeymoon over. And Putin is the winner as US allies are already totally demoralized.

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Post by Smitty-48 » Thu Dec 29, 2016 5:25 pm

Trump will no doubt confront Mr. Ivan at some point and from time to time, but do it at the time and place of your choosing, America, don't surrender the initiative to the Kremlin and make yourselves look weak and divided in the process, wait until Mr. Ivan stumbles first before you spring your ambush, and only do it if you've got him dead to rights with something actually backing up your rhetoric, so it forces him to back down, if you don't got him dead to rights, just keep your powder dry, and ffs, don't feed the Kremlin's trolls, dummies, that's just playing right into their hands.

Until you catch Mr. Ivan in a jam, and got him dead to rights, and your ducks are in a row to force him to eat crow, Trump's way is the right way; "The Kremlin? What about them? They don't bother us, Big Red White and Blue Machine rolls on, come what may, the Kremlin ain't gettin' in our way, MAGA; nothing can stop us..."
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Re: U.S. "retaliates" against Russia

Post by Mercury » Thu Dec 29, 2016 6:56 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:America, don't surrender the initiative to the Kremlin and make yourselves look weak and divided in the process
I wish Mr.Obama would take this to heart.
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