Decline of the West #6 - "WTF is the Alt Right" with Greg Johnson

[Martin Hash]

Great, great interview, though Darryl didn't say much. Greg Johnson has a PhD in philosophy & edits one of the most successful Alt Right magazines, "Counter-Currents," and, boy, does he have his spiel down. In fact, until the last 25% when he intimated that the color of your skin determined your social ethnicity, he had me.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the ... 82538?mt=2

[TheReal_ND]

I feel like fisking but Ima let it be. Still a lot of people, it seems, that believe race is an artificial construct. That's ok.

[Martin Hash]

I feel like fisking but Ima let it be. Still a lot of people, it seems, that believe race is an artificial construct. That's ok.

Race is phenomic NOT genomic, and "social race" is nurture NOT nature. A White guy raised in China by Chinese ain't no kin of mine & you can bet he'll be shooting at my kids in the next war.

[TheReal_ND]

I disagree. Race actually is technically a social construct so you missed that trick answer. However when talking about haploid groups in the medical sense it's much easier to call whites "white" for obvious reasons.

The problem that I have with people that seem to be cultural or civic nationalist minded, is that evolution doesn't stop at an arbitrary point some millennia ago. Actual changes to the genes of an ingroup only take as long as a few generations in some cases. The main point being that cultural civilization has an inherent effect on genetics.

[Martin Hash]

And I'm going to let you get away with that gobbley-gook because race IS a construct, like you said.

p.s. All the other Nationalistic stuff Greg spouted was spot-on.

[TheReal_ND]

I'm a little saddened that I didn't get my point across. Let me try to rephrase;

Homo Sapiens never stop evolving. That's obvious but that's racist if you think about it in terms of race.

Some races have been civilized in one manner and other races have been civilized in another. No fault of theirs but that's how it is. So their brand of civilization has an effect on the gene pool via mate selection.

I can't make it any simpler but I could expand perhaps.

[Martin Hash]

A Liberty society tolerates any member except those who would take or impinge your liberty. Perhaps you're saying that there is a "race" that is socialist thru-n-thru from birth & is incompatible with American values?

p.s. I agree that we're importing lots of socialists who learned it since birth, but we have a lot of homegrown socialists too and most of them are White.

[TheReal_ND]

Well that's kind of a different argument I've been mulling over in my head; what makes Western Europeans (sometimes) more libertarian minded and why doesn't any other race ever share libertarian views? I'm left with the answer that libertarianism is implicitly white but I can't really guess why exactly. I'm positive it's partially genetic though.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

I think that posits a far too simple relationship between particular genes and behavior. You might get odd dynastic physical traits, like the horse-faced Plantagenet line, but what one is trained to do through nurture probably doesn't correlate very strongly with the genetic changes sexual selection effects.

[Martin Hash]

Anybody who actually tried to practice libertarianism would have their stuff taken by force in a matter of years. The only way libertarians could exist is to subjugate most of the people to be soldiers to protect their stuff, which you can find throughout history. Basically, only an aristocracy can be libertarian.

As for a Liberty society: that's only the U.S. because we didn't allow women or Blacks to vote when we adopted it. Liberty works best for those with advantages, which means in practice, 25% of a Liberty society will "make it" while dragging the other 75% along behind. This will work, and has worked until now, but if the 25% becomes 1%, and no one knows a child, nephew or friend who has "made it," then pitchforks.