Liberty Nation

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Martin Hash
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Liberty Nation

Post by Martin Hash » Sat Jun 11, 2016 7:18 pm

America wouldn't have had liberty in the first place had women & slaves been enfranchised. Socialism does indeed serve the group better, but of course, at the expense of the individual. The only reason America has been able to maintain its Liberty Nation status is because we are all gamblers here, and if the chance exists to "win," then we will vote against our own safe self-interest. However, if that chance becomes fleetingly small, and only 1% are able to enjoy the fruits of liberty then democracy will simply say, "fuck liberty."
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Re: Liberty Nation

Post by katarn » Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:45 pm

bump
"Stone walls do not a prison make, nor iron bars a cage...
If I have freedom in my love
And in my soul am free,
Angels alone that soar above
Enjoy such Liberty" - Richard Lovelace

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Re: Liberty Nation

Post by Ex-California » Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:51 pm

I used to think Socialism or some kind of wealth redistribution was the way to make everyone successful. However, I've learned that the socialism for the rich, aka crony capitalism, is what has gotten the rest of us in this mess. With true liberty, the undermenchen can enjoy the fruits of liberty as well as the fruits of our labor
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Re: Liberty Nation

Post by Fife » Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:41 pm

California wrote:I used to think Socialism or some kind of wealth redistribution was the way to make everyone successful. However, I've learned that the socialism for the rich, aka crony capitalism, is what has gotten the rest of us in this mess. With true liberty, the undermenchen can enjoy the fruits of liberty as well as the fruits of our labor
The state corrupts all it touches, everywhere, every time. I wanna come have an In-N-Out double-double with you, go to the socal wine country, and talk about the animating contest of freedom.

Is your wife cool with me crashing on your couch for 4-5 days, max?

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Re: Liberty Nation

Post by Ex-California » Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:42 pm

Fife wrote:
California wrote:I used to think Socialism or some kind of wealth redistribution was the way to make everyone successful. However, I've learned that the socialism for the rich, aka crony capitalism, is what has gotten the rest of us in this mess. With true liberty, the undermenchen can enjoy the fruits of liberty as well as the fruits of our labor
The state corrupts all it touches, everywhere, every time. I wanna come have an In-N-Out double-double with you, go to the socal wine country, and talk about the animating contest of freedom.

Is your wife cool with me crashing on your couch for 4-5 days, max?
Sure. We need to get rid of the couch in the den and get a couch bed in its place.
No man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session

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Re: Liberty Nation

Post by Hwen Hoshino » Sat May 06, 2017 11:27 am

Martin Hash wrote:America wouldn't have had liberty in the first place had women & slaves been enfranchised. Socialism does indeed serve the group better, but of course, at the expense of the individual. The only reason America has been able to maintain its Liberty Nation status is because we are all gamblers here, and if the chance exists to "win," then we will vote against our own safe self-interest. However, if that chance becomes fleetingly small, and only 1% are able to enjoy the fruits of liberty then democracy will simply say, "fuck liberty."
Socialism serves the group better based on what?

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Re: Liberty Nation

Post by Martin Hash » Sat May 06, 2017 11:47 am

Hwen Hoshino wrote:
Martin Hash wrote:America wouldn't have had liberty in the first place had women & slaves been enfranchised. Socialism does indeed serve the group better, but of course, at the expense of the individual. The only reason America has been able to maintain its Liberty Nation status is because we are all gamblers here, and if the chance exists to "win," then we will vote against our own safe self-interest. However, if that chance becomes fleetingly small, and only 1% are able to enjoy the fruits of liberty then democracy will simply say, "fuck liberty."
Socialism serves the group better based on what?
If you're a loser in Scandinavia, you still live a pretty good, worry free life.
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Re: Liberty Nation

Post by Hwen Hoshino » Sat May 06, 2017 11:57 am

Martin Hash wrote:
Hwen Hoshino wrote:
Martin Hash wrote:America wouldn't have had liberty in the first place had women & slaves been enfranchised. Socialism does indeed serve the group better, but of course, at the expense of the individual. The only reason America has been able to maintain its Liberty Nation status is because we are all gamblers here, and if the chance exists to "win," then we will vote against our own safe self-interest. However, if that chance becomes fleetingly small, and only 1% are able to enjoy the fruits of liberty then democracy will simply say, "fuck liberty."
Socialism serves the group better based on what?
If you're a loser in Scandinavia, you still live a pretty good, worry free life.
That makes it fairly situation based instead of universal.

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Re: Liberty Nation

Post by Martin Hash » Sat May 06, 2017 12:37 pm

Hwen Hoshino wrote:
Martin Hash wrote:
Hwen Hoshino wrote: Socialism serves the group better based on what?
If you're a loser in Scandinavia, you still live a pretty good, worry free life.
That makes it fairly situation based instead of universal.
Totally universal. Every population has a distribution: you could have an IQ of 140 but if everyone else had 150 IQs, you'd be the loser.
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Re: Liberty Nation

Post by Hwen Hoshino » Sat May 06, 2017 2:22 pm

Martin Hash wrote:
Hwen Hoshino wrote:
Martin Hash wrote: If you're a loser in Scandinavia, you still live a pretty good, worry free life.
That makes it fairly situation based instead of universal.
Totally universal. Every population has a distribution: you could have an IQ of 140 but if everyone else had 150 IQs, you'd be the loser.
wE WERE TALKING ABOUT WEALTH DISTRIBUTION...