Work email ban after hours in New York City may become law

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Post by Okeefenokee » Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:01 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
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There ought to be a law.
There's two of them, conservation of energy, and entropy. Got a bunch I gotta get done tomorrow.

My laws are more mathematical in nature. Some of them are mysterious. Does P=NP?
Only if N=1.
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Post by SuburbanFarmer » Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:05 pm

Okeefenokee wrote:
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Okeefenokee wrote:
There's two of them, conservation of energy, and entropy. Got a bunch I gotta get done tomorrow.

My laws are more mathematical in nature. Some of them are mysterious. Does P=NP?
Only if N=1.
or 0. ;)
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Post by Speaker to Animals » Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:06 pm

Okeefenokee wrote:
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Okeefenokee wrote:
There's two of them, conservation of energy, and entropy. Got a bunch I gotta get done tomorrow.

My laws are more mathematical in nature. Some of them are mysterious. Does P=NP?
Only if N=1.

NP := nondeterministic polynomial time.

P := polynomial time

A problem that is polynomial is something like sorting a deck of cards.
A problem that is nondeterministic polynomial is something like the traveling salesmen problem.

Figuring out the answer to this question is as big as e=mc^2. (seriously). If you could prove that P=NP a lot of shit would change overnight.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P_versus_ ... f_solution

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Post by Okeefenokee » Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:11 pm

GrumpyCatFace wrote:
Okeefenokee wrote:
Speaker to Animals wrote:

My laws are more mathematical in nature. Some of them are mysterious. Does P=NP?
Only if N=1.
or 0. ;)
P=0*P only if P=0
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Re: Work email ban after hours in New York City may become law

Post by Speaker to Animals » Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:12 pm

This is what happens if you can solve an NP problem in polynomial time.


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Post by SuburbanFarmer » Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:31 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Okeefenokee wrote:
Speaker to Animals wrote:

My laws are more mathematical in nature. Some of them are mysterious. Does P=NP?
Only if N=1.

NP := nondeterministic polynomial time.

P := polynomial time

A problem that is polynomial is something like sorting a deck of cards.
A problem that is nondeterministic polynomial is something like the traveling salesmen problem.

Figuring out the answer to this question is as big as e=mc^2. (seriously). If you could prove that P=NP a lot of shit would change overnight.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P_versus_ ... f_solution
Seems pretty obvious that N <> NP. I don't see why anyone would think otherwise, tbh.
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Re: Work email ban after hours in New York City may become law

Post by Speaker to Animals » Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:39 pm

GrumpyCatFace wrote:
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Okeefenokee wrote:
Only if N=1.

NP := nondeterministic polynomial time.

P := polynomial time

A problem that is polynomial is something like sorting a deck of cards.
A problem that is nondeterministic polynomial is something like the traveling salesmen problem.

Figuring out the answer to this question is as big as e=mc^2. (seriously). If you could prove that P=NP a lot of shit would change overnight.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P_versus_ ... f_solution
Seems pretty obvious that N <> NP. I don't see why anyone would think otherwise, tbh.

Obvious how? Can you prove it?

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Post by SuburbanFarmer » Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:50 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
GrumpyCatFace wrote:
Speaker to Animals wrote:

NP := nondeterministic polynomial time.

P := polynomial time

A problem that is polynomial is something like sorting a deck of cards.
A problem that is nondeterministic polynomial is something like the traveling salesmen problem.

Figuring out the answer to this question is as big as e=mc^2. (seriously). If you could prove that P=NP a lot of shit would change overnight.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P_versus_ ... f_solution
Seems pretty obvious that N <> NP. I don't see why anyone would think otherwise, tbh.

Obvious how? Can you prove it?
Sure. Pretty much all of human experience points to N<>NP.

You can grade a test faster than you can answer the questions. Checking against the answer sheet takes less time than solving the problems (on a math test, for example).

If you're asking for a mathematical proof, no I couldn't. But the answer is obvious - and completed much faster than any computation of the problem.
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Re: Work email ban after hours in New York City may become law

Post by Speaker to Animals » Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:53 pm

GrumpyCatFace wrote:
Speaker to Animals wrote:
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Seems pretty obvious that N <> NP. I don't see why anyone would think otherwise, tbh.

Obvious how? Can you prove it?
Sure. Pretty much all of human experience points to N<>NP.

You can grade a test faster than you can answer the questions. Checking against the answer sheet takes less time than solving the problems (on a math test, for example).

If you're asking for a mathematical proof, no I couldn't. But the answer is obvious - and completed much faster than any computation of the problem.

That's not what this means. And, no, there really is no "experience" that points towards either solution. Most computer scientists believe P != NP, but really have no way to prove it. It doesn't seem provable with any of the formal techniques we use today.

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Post by SuburbanFarmer » Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:56 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
GrumpyCatFace wrote:
Speaker to Animals wrote:

Obvious how? Can you prove it?
Sure. Pretty much all of human experience points to N<>NP.

You can grade a test faster than you can answer the questions. Checking against the answer sheet takes less time than solving the problems (on a math test, for example).

If you're asking for a mathematical proof, no I couldn't. But the answer is obvious - and completed much faster than any computation of the problem.

That's not what this means. And, no, there really is no "experience" that points towards either solution. Most computer scientists believe P != NP, but really have no way to prove it. It doesn't seem provable with any of the formal techniques we use today.
It's probably not provable. It's simply common sense, though.

There's no way that you could solve every problem as quickly as checking against the solution. That's ridiculous.

Did I misunderstand the article?
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