Europe, Boring Until it's Not

[ssu]

77% of Americans believe in angels.

That's pretty central to Christianity.

Umm... is it central?

I thought what Jesus said and taught was the central part.

Anyway, if there are about 3 million muslims in the UK, that makes about 4,5% of the population. Which is a bit smaller percentage than there are ethnic Asians in the US. One has to believe that a totally unrestricted flow of people will continue for the UK to become muslim...

[SuburbanFarmer]

We have to bomb Chinatown.

[de officiis]

77% of Americans believe in angels.

That's pretty central to Christianity.

Umm... is it central?

I thought what Jesus said and taught was the central part.

I think what I'm trying to say is that they figure prominently in some parts of the NT.

[Otern]

I notice there's a lot of talk about the whole "muslims in Europe" thing. It's true that there are a lot of problems related to the massive immigration from muslim countries. It's also true they're way more likely to commit violent crime, especially rape. And they're less likely to integrate into western society than other immigrants. And there's a bus or two of people dying from radicalized muslims each year.

But this whole thing is minor when compared to the REAL problem Europe faces, and it's sad to see any discussion about the EU devolve into a "Muslims are great vs. Muslims are awful".

Terrorism is not really a problem. The ghettos, rapes, and otherwise lack of integration by muslims, is a far greater problem. But even this is NOTHING compared with the true problems facing Europe now.

Problems in Europe greater than muslims:
The youth unemployment rate. 22,5% youth unemployment rate across the EU. This is a fucking disaster.
The trend of increasing wage disparity among all Europeans.
All the democratic deficiencies in the EU. The EU commission has way too much power, and it's designed to not be influenced by the public at all.
Top heavy businesses, and increased centralization lead to extremely unequal, and inefficient distribution of profits.
The whole four freedoms thing. This destroys workers rights in countries that have those rights. And it does nothing to improve on the rights in the countries that lacks them. It also pushes wages down on both low skilled and skilled labor. It also destroys local industries in areas that can't compete with the lower wages and lower production costs. This in turns centralizes industry, and removes any buffers, making the industry less resistant to any unforeseen events or advancements.
Nation states no longer being sovereign. Look at Greece. An economic crisis, and they had to privatize a lot of stuff that traditionally were nationalized, thereby removing any chance of the Greeks to pay off their debts, while letting global companies control part of the economy that used to be controlled by the Greeks. Iceland had somewhat of the same problem, but got out of it way easier by not having to do what the EU told them to. The Greeks are still in trouble, and it doesn't look good. Europe basically used the Greek crisis to rob them of the little they had left, and didn't really help them out of this crisis either.

[Speaker to Animals]

Your problems are not greater than the Muslim colonizers.

Migrants are being used as weapons to exterminate you and take over your nations. They are not even hiding the fact anymore.

[C-Mag]

Problems in Europe greater than muslims:
The youth unemployment rate. 22,5% youth unemployment rate across the EU. This is a fucking disaster.
The trend of increasing wage disparity among all Europeans.
All the democratic deficiencies in the EU. The EU commission has way too much power, and it's designed to not be influenced by the public at all.

This is a problem across the Western World, and it's F*cking Insane to bring in scores of additional unemployed people with strong differences in culture. When you do, you are setting yourself up for Civil Violence at a minimum and Civil War as a strong possibility.

[Speaker to Animals]

Bye, England.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/03 ... be-killed/

[Otern]

Problems in Europe greater than muslims:
The youth unemployment rate. 22,5% youth unemployment rate across the EU. This is a fucking disaster.
The trend of increasing wage disparity among all Europeans.
All the democratic deficiencies in the EU. The EU commission has way too much power, and it's designed to not be influenced by the public at all.

This is a problem across the Western World, and it's F*cking Insane to bring in scores of additional unemployed people with strong differences in culture. When you do, you are setting yourself up for Civil Violence at a minimum and Civil War as a strong possibility.

It IS insane to bring in scores of additional unemployed people with strong differences in culture.

But putting a stop to the immigration of these people are not going to fix the problems we're facing. In fact, doing so, and then pat ourselves on the back for it, like the current Norwegian government is doing, does more harm, since they've effectively ignored all the other troubles of immigration that undercuts the workers now.

Free flow of labor across borders is the MAIN issue here. Muslims in ghettos is just the icing on the cake.

This is why I'm not looking too enthusiastic at the new mainstream conservative parties in Europe. Sure, they're slowly taking a more anti-islamic stance. But they're also doubling down on the four freedoms of the EU, which is the cause of all this shit.

I see a lot of people wanting the EU to change, and be more protective of Europe as a whole. But that shit's not going to happen. The EU won't change, because they can't change. The EU needs to dissolve, for Europe to be saved. Nothing less. Europe with the EU is fucked, even if there were no muslims around.

[Dand]

+1 thanks for the perspective, Otern

Even ignoring Islam, you have the EU slowly trying to break your backs and subjugate you. If the current governments can shift to criticize islam enough to placate the voters and prevent more "brexits" it could be a sinister way to maintain the EU.

[ssu]

+1 thanks for the perspective, Otern

Even ignoring Islam, you have the EU slowly trying to break your backs and subjugate you. If the current governments can shift to criticize islam enough to placate the voters and prevent more "brexits" it could be a sinister way to maintain the EU.

The main problem is that a lot of people are critical about the EU, yet aren't totally against it.

They aren't racists, xenophobes or nationalistic jingoists. They aren't extremists or some fringe. They don't hate the EU from ideological reasons. What the leaders cannot fathom or don't want to admit is that a lot of people are hugely critical about the EU, yet would be OK with it if it wasn't going where it's going now. That's also something that the anti-EU people don't want to admit.

One the deepest structural problems is that there has been a belief that EU will prevail through the work of bureacrats doing and by economic growth. Some smart thinkers understood that they should create an idea of Europe being there alongside the national ideas. Now that actually has been possible to do: before there were Scots, Welsh and the English. Then they became the British. And that spectacularly has worked even until this day, even if people are still Scots, Welsh or English too.

And earlier things like being French or German are also things that are suprisingly new. Hence it is possible to create a new identity.

But no.

They, the EU elite, failed miserably in this and basically went forwards to attack the national ideologies as the root of all evil, not the glue that ties together the rich and the poor and creates that social cohesion that is found in a nation state.