Meanwhile in Iraq & Syria

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Re: Meanwhile in Iraq & Syria

Post by Speaker to Animals » Sat Apr 08, 2017 2:01 pm

BjornP wrote:
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BjornP wrote:
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As if the Syriac Christians are all pro-Assad:

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 ... dan-allott

Oh please. It's not about being pro-Assad. The rebels are Islamists who are slaughtering Christians. The bishops have consistently condemned western governments for their complicity in the genocide of Christians.

You want to join the rebels? Good luck. Pick the terrorists that matcH you particular apathy towards, and hatred of, Christians.

You sure as shit are not on the side of the Christians. The bishops are quite clear on that score.
The Syrian Kurds are rebels, and Christians are also among the rebels. Are you saying that the Kurds of the Rojava commune has been slaughtering Christians? As for "my", "apathy and hatred of Christians"...? :lol: Yeah, StA, I'm downright deplorable. A Nazi, actually. No, a Racist. A Christophobe. A Fascist-Communist-Racist-Nazi, who's a big ol' meanie who won't let you stay up late at night and let little precious have the last cookie. :( :violin:

You are going to have to take it up with all the bishops then. The Christian leaders of Syria don't agree witH you, and youknow, I don't see any Christians fighting for the genocidal Islamist rebels.

Maybe you are full of poop again..

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Re: Meanwhile in Iraq & Syria

Post by TheReal_ND » Sat Apr 08, 2017 2:04 pm

BREAKING: US airstrike kills 20 civilians, injures dozens in Raqqa countryside

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/br ... untryside/
US President Donald Trump has sent a letter to the US Congress, informing them about the US missile strike against the Syrian Air Force base, and stating that the US will take additional action to further the country’s national interests

When asked to define national interest he commented: "We need to protect the beautiful Israeli babies that Assad threatens on an hourly basis"
https://www.rt.com/usa/384066-trump-in- ... -on-syria/

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Re: Meanwhile in Iraq & Syria

Post by Ph64 » Sat Apr 08, 2017 2:13 pm

It's all Assad's fault, if he hadn't had his troops throw those babies out of those incubators we never would have had to use tons of depleted uranium shells on him that cause birth defects and other ills.

... Oh, wait, wrong war... sorry. :doh:
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Re: Meanwhile in Iraq & Syria

Post by Smitty-48 » Sat Apr 08, 2017 2:16 pm

The thing to look for, when you're looking for where America is going to get a Vietnam type scenario going, is two governments in one country.

Rebels in of themselves, is not enough, the US doesn't actually get dug in deep, just for rebels alone, the US gets dug in, when there is a puppet government to back against a populist uprising.

So Vietnam doesn't start with the Gulf of Tonkin, Vietnam doesn't start with Advisers, Vietnam doesn't even start with funding the French, Vietnam starts when the French try to install a puppet government in the face of the Viet Minh uprising, by re-installing the Emperor Bo Dai as their colonial proxy, and what happened was, the Chinese Communists recognized the Viet Minh as the legitimate government of Vietnam, and it was the Chinese Communists doing that which was the basis of the Domino Theory, and so the United States responded by recognizing the French installed puppet government under Bo Dai; as being the legitimate government of Vietnam, and then America basically took that as a proxy for the next couple of decades, so that colonial puppet government in conflict with the populist uprising is the key ingredient, that, is where the Vietnam war came from.

You just don't have that situation in Syria, there really is no alternate government to Assad, the rebels don't really provide a full on proxy which you could get behind in a stable long term way as your proxy, so that's why I'm not seeing a Vietnam scenario here.
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Re: Meanwhile in Iraq & Syria

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Re: Meanwhile in Iraq & Syria

Post by Smitty-48 » Sat Apr 08, 2017 2:26 pm

Basically, as an imperial power, America is never really going to take on the loose coalition of populist insurgents, as a full on proxy, America might use insurgents as a means to an end, like the Muj in Afpak, but really, America will always be on the side of the tyrannical oppressor, so the only way to really get a Vietnam going in Syria, would be for America to somehow do a backflip and start backing Assad.

Thus, Syria is not like Vietnam, Syria is like Afghanistan in the 80's, in this case America is using the rebels as a "Cats Paw" to make it into a Afghanistan all over again scenario for the Russians, the rebels are a means to an end, but not an actual proxy that you would get dug in behind in any sort of comprehensive way.
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Re: Meanwhile in Iraq & Syria

Post by BjornP » Sat Apr 08, 2017 2:54 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
BjornP wrote:
Speaker to Animals wrote:

Oh please. It's not about being pro-Assad. The rebels are Islamists who are slaughtering Christians. The bishops have consistently condemned western governments for their complicity in the genocide of Christians.

You want to join the rebels? Good luck. Pick the terrorists that matcH you particular apathy towards, and hatred of, Christians.

You sure as shit are not on the side of the Christians. The bishops are quite clear on that score.
The Syrian Kurds are rebels, and Christians are also among the rebels. Are you saying that the Kurds of the Rojava commune has been slaughtering Christians? As for "my", "apathy and hatred of Christians"...? :lol: Yeah, StA, I'm downright deplorable. A Nazi, actually. No, a Racist. A Christophobe. A Fascist-Communist-Racist-Nazi, who's a big ol' meanie who won't let you stay up late at night and let little precious have the last cookie. :( :violin:

You are going to have to take it up with all the bishops then. The Christian leaders of Syria don't agree witH you, and youknow, I don't see any Christians fighting for the genocidal Islamist rebels.

Maybe you are full of poop again..
They don't..."agree with me" that Christians are fighting Assad? Even if they didn't, andgiven how ridiculosuly easy I just annihilated that lie with my earlier link, then which bishops? This one?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ebels.html

A Catholic bishop? That's your "The Christian Leaders of Syria"? Seriously? :roll: As if that would even be a relevant "Christian leader". Just gave you a source saying that there are Christian rebels who aren't backing Assad. And no, they're not fighting for any Islamists. That you believe that all the rebels are "Islamists" is because you're a cave-dwelling ignoramus who can't be bothered to even google for Syrian Christian rebels:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syriac_Military_Council
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Re: Meanwhile in Iraq & Syria

Post by TheReal_ND » Sat Apr 08, 2017 2:55 pm

Russian news report showing syrian jets departing from Shairat airbase
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlDqSMEk_hE
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Re: Meanwhile in Iraq & Syria

Post by Speaker to Animals » Sat Apr 08, 2017 2:56 pm

No you dumbass. Pretty much all of them, including the Catholic and Orthodox bishops, which constitute the majority.

How do you not know the Christians are fighting for the Syrian government, and the "rebels" are genocide g Christians.

Get out of here with your weak shit.

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Re: Meanwhile in Iraq & Syria

Post by TheReal_ND » Sat Apr 08, 2017 2:58 pm

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