Why is Trump even talking about this in the first place? I mean they are not protesting him (originally) and his talking is just given the NFL more coverage and steam over this issue.
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America vs the rest of the world. What would happen?
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Re: America vs the rest of the world. What would happen?
I think you're in the wrong thread, we know you're OCD about trying to turn every thread into a ZOMG Trump thread, but there's literally no Trump related activity going on in this thread, pen-pen bot.Penner wrote:Why is Trump even talking about this in the first place? I mean they are not protesting him (originally) and his talking is just given the NFL more coverage and steam over this issue.
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Smitty-48 wrote:I think you're in the wrong thread, we know you're OCD about trying to turn every thread into a ZOMG Trump thread, but there's literally no Trump related activity going on in this thread, pen-pen bot.Penner wrote:Why is Trump even talking about this in the first place? I mean they are not protesting him (originally) and his talking is just given the NFL more coverage and steam over this issue.
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Yeah, I had two different threads open in two different windows.
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Re: America vs the rest of the world. What would happen?
Wouldn't American satellites get blasted out space right quick? Can our modern military even work well without GPS?
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Re: America vs the rest of the world. What would happen?
Not necessarily, no, because the countries which could shoot your satellites, also have satellites, and when you blow up satellites, that just creates a giant and permament debris field which circles the earth at 25 times the speed of sound, obliterating everything in its path, expanding and compounding as it goes, so taking the US satellites down, takes everybody's satellites down, mutually assured destruction, thus, they're not going to do that, unless you're talking a doomsday suicide mission scenario.jediuser598 wrote:Wouldn't American satellites get blasted out of the air right quick? Can our modern military even work well without GPS?
The satellites go down, just before the nukes come raining down, but other than that, it's not a particularly useful tactic.
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The only way you can take satellites down effectively without satellite MAD, would be to have robots disable satellites in a very careful manner and/or latch on to them and push them into a reentry, but that couldn't be done all at once, it would be tit for tat, but you'd be able to launch more satellites as the satellite war progressed, so it wouldn't be an America blinded all at once scenario, it would be more like slow motion robot dogfights in space, with "push down" rather than "shoot down" tactical engagements.
You'd basically have two types of robot space fighters, the stealth fighter and the attack fighter, the stealth fighter would be for sneaking up on satellites and sabotaging them, without the operator knowing it was sabotaged, just a little thing which could be activated at a later time, attached to the side of your satellite, not enough to blow it up, just enough to disable it. The attack fighters you would launch in swarms which would chase other satellites to latch on to them and then push them down, basically a smart missile with a claw to latch on and a booster to pull the satellite down into the atmosphere.
Getting all the American satellites just with stealth fighters is not really doable, some could be snuck up on, but it would be tricky, because the Americans have early warning in orbit, so a total takedown all at once is not likely, and even if, it would only be for a short window until America launched more satelites to replace the ones taken down.
You'd basically have two types of robot space fighters, the stealth fighter and the attack fighter, the stealth fighter would be for sneaking up on satellites and sabotaging them, without the operator knowing it was sabotaged, just a little thing which could be activated at a later time, attached to the side of your satellite, not enough to blow it up, just enough to disable it. The attack fighters you would launch in swarms which would chase other satellites to latch on to them and then push them down, basically a smart missile with a claw to latch on and a booster to pull the satellite down into the atmosphere.
Getting all the American satellites just with stealth fighters is not really doable, some could be snuck up on, but it would be tricky, because the Americans have early warning in orbit, so a total takedown all at once is not likely, and even if, it would only be for a short window until America launched more satelites to replace the ones taken down.
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Also bear in mind, GPS is already becoming obsolete, the AI for the latest generations of smart weapons is so smart, it doesn't even need GPS anymore, it's all being made to operate in "GPS denied" enviroments now, multiple redundant guidance and targeting systems, run by AI.
You can basically tell a smart weapon now to; "go out, loiter, look for things to kill, make sure it's the right thing first, send us a report about it, then kill it", just using passive intertial navigation and algorithms. And that's not even as smart as your Samsung phone, so anybody can do it, all weapons are going this way, very quickly.
GPS is 1980's technology, we're blowing right by that now. This level of AI is commercial off the shelf already, you could take a commercial drone, a bomb, and a smartphone, and make a smart weapon like this in your garage, so everybody is going to have it, state actors, non state actors, military, terrorists, you name it.
This is the thing, we're entering the 5th Generation Warfare paradigm, if America tried to take on the world, the US military would be largely irrelevant, just the general population of the world could wreak havoc in America, no armies nor nukes required. If seven billion people all turned on America at once, America the global pariah state, seven billion minds all cooperating to destroy her, the Pentagon would be impotent in the face of it, just a big multi trillion dollar dog n' pony show which the "Global Cong" would bypass with ease, the US military would be getting killed in the driveways outside their houses, before they could even make it to muster at the bases.
It would be like inviting the Central Highlands of the Vietnam War, home to roost in your living rooms. The only way you can really defend against this stuff, is global cooperation, if one country decides that it's not going to cooperate but rather make themselves the big undefended target, that's the country which is going to be in the hurt locker.
Mind you, the Pentagon are not actually fuckwits who fantasize about going to war with the whole world, quite the opposite, they know the score, they are all about global cooperation, they have a plan to defend against this, but it's all about making friends not enemies.
You can basically tell a smart weapon now to; "go out, loiter, look for things to kill, make sure it's the right thing first, send us a report about it, then kill it", just using passive intertial navigation and algorithms. And that's not even as smart as your Samsung phone, so anybody can do it, all weapons are going this way, very quickly.
GPS is 1980's technology, we're blowing right by that now. This level of AI is commercial off the shelf already, you could take a commercial drone, a bomb, and a smartphone, and make a smart weapon like this in your garage, so everybody is going to have it, state actors, non state actors, military, terrorists, you name it.
This is the thing, we're entering the 5th Generation Warfare paradigm, if America tried to take on the world, the US military would be largely irrelevant, just the general population of the world could wreak havoc in America, no armies nor nukes required. If seven billion people all turned on America at once, America the global pariah state, seven billion minds all cooperating to destroy her, the Pentagon would be impotent in the face of it, just a big multi trillion dollar dog n' pony show which the "Global Cong" would bypass with ease, the US military would be getting killed in the driveways outside their houses, before they could even make it to muster at the bases.
It would be like inviting the Central Highlands of the Vietnam War, home to roost in your living rooms. The only way you can really defend against this stuff, is global cooperation, if one country decides that it's not going to cooperate but rather make themselves the big undefended target, that's the country which is going to be in the hurt locker.
Mind you, the Pentagon are not actually fuckwits who fantasize about going to war with the whole world, quite the opposite, they know the score, they are all about global cooperation, they have a plan to defend against this, but it's all about making friends not enemies.
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Re: America vs the rest of the world. What would happen?
jediuser598 wrote:Wouldn't American satellites get blasted out space right quick? Can our modern military even work well without GPS?
GPS satellites orbit at a very high altitude. A lot of our surveillance satellites are fair game, though.
More likely is GPS spoofing as a countermeasure.
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Everything is going micro-sat now anyways, the old fashioned spy satellite model is obsolete, the way satellite war is going, it's gonna be cheap and plentiful, you launch a mini-sat, its up for the duration of an operation, then it falls back to earth, but it's cheap and plentiful, so you just launch as many as you need, so sattelites are going to be more like disposal spacecraft which fly, fall, but can be launched in waves as necessary.
Soon you'll have tactical battlefield satellite launch, something like an MLRS, which can launch a mini-sat from the field, on the frontlines. Warships will be launching satellites, army brigades will be launching satellites, the micro-sattelite will become ubiquitous, like smart bombs are now; like a round of ammunition which you expend downrange, then when that one is done, you launch another.
Depending on the level of capability required, you'll have satellites which go up for a few hours, you'll have satellites which go up for a few days, you'll have satellites which go up for a few weeks, but for the most part, the long term orbiting satellite is going to be displaced by cheap, plentiful and disposable.
Soon you'll have tactical battlefield satellite launch, something like an MLRS, which can launch a mini-sat from the field, on the frontlines. Warships will be launching satellites, army brigades will be launching satellites, the micro-sattelite will become ubiquitous, like smart bombs are now; like a round of ammunition which you expend downrange, then when that one is done, you launch another.
Depending on the level of capability required, you'll have satellites which go up for a few hours, you'll have satellites which go up for a few days, you'll have satellites which go up for a few weeks, but for the most part, the long term orbiting satellite is going to be displaced by cheap, plentiful and disposable.
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Re: America vs the rest of the world. What would happen?
I agree.Smitty-48 wrote: Fair enough, but I think the country would implode into a civil war, you're in no position to go to war with the world, the nation is deeply divided and in a state of political disorder, and easily two thirds of the American republican divide would find the whole idea of going to war with the rest of the world to be utterly repugnant and in fact a casus belli to overthrow the government.
You're talking a Vietnam War like schism, scaled up by many many orders of magnitude, and it wouldn't be some sort of "just war" which could be sold to the American people as being a "necessity", and as such, it would incite a mutiny on a national scale.
In the case of such a mind bogglingly stupid and self destructive scenario, I actually think the officers in the US military would be the ones leading the mutiny tbh.
Get Americans to fight each other, start a civil war. But that's just part 1 of the warplan. The next phase in the plan (in this US against the rest war) would be to help the Americans by sending in peacekeepers. Help the poor American civilians caught in the crossfire. Help Americans to rebuild their political institutions. Assist in getting their economy up and running. All this helping through the UN, which could obviously do the job. In fact it would be the perfect pitch to sell the war against the US: it would be about helping the Americans. The US has given so much to the rest of the World, we have to help them at their time of need. Perfect war pitch!
Just think of all those Nigerian peacekeepers sent to Alabama. Oh they would have such a nice time there disarming the local unruly population!
