Montegriffo wrote:However, most recent and up to date research is concluding that humans did in fact have an impact in the extinction of mega fauna around the globe.
Provide some recent scientific evidence to support your theory before dismissing the possibility of human causes out of hand.
There's a lot of support growing for an asteroid impact theory 12,000 years ago. Check out Randall Carlson on the Joe Rohan podcast sometime.
Could explain why humans started migrating so much at that time as well.
Postby Speaker to Animals » Mon Feb 20, 2017 6:17 pm
GrumpyCatFace wrote:
Montegriffo wrote:However, most recent and up to date research is concluding that humans did in fact have an impact in the extinction of mega fauna around the globe.
Provide some recent scientific evidence to support your theory before dismissing the possibility of human causes out of hand.
There's a lot of support growing for an asteroid impact theory 12,000 years ago. Check out Randall Carlson on the Joe Rohan podcast sometime.
Could explain why humans started migrating so much at that time as well.
And.. yep.
The human population also took a hit from that one.
Thousands of years ago in northwestern North America, large animal species, among them the woolly mammoth and the horse, became extinct. Among the proposed explanations for this is one known as the blitzkrieg hypothesis — that humans entering the region rapidly wiped the animals out through overhunting.
The validity of that explanation, and others, depends in parts on the timing of the extinctions. How many thousands of years ago did the animals disappear?
Until now, the answer to that question has been 13,000 to 15,000 years ago. But those dates come from the youngest reliably dated fossils that have been found, and who is to say there aren’t even younger fossils out there?
A new study has come up with a far different answer, using a far different technique.
Rather than dating actual fossils, the researchers analyzed DNA found in permanently frozen sediments at a site on the Yukon River in central Alaska. As they report in The Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, they found evidence that mammoths and horses were still around at least until 10,500 years ago, long after humans arrived.
Earlier studies had shown that DNA from animals’ waste, skin cells and hair could be preserved in permanently frozen sediments.
James Haile and Eske Willerslev of the University of Copenhagen and colleagues analyzed samples taken from the frozen soil at various depths, corresponding to about 8,000 to 11,000 years ago.
Since humans were known to arrive in the region at least 14,000 years ago, the finding casts doubt on the blitzkrieg hypothesis.
Hunting may have contributed to the decline of these animals, the researchers write, but it “did not deliver the deathblow.”
Yet the climate change was 90k years ago so if that caused the decline how come they are still around by the time humans arrived?
2009 is old research, most work since backs the hunting theory.
For legal reasons, we are not threatening to destroy U.S. government property with our glorious medieval siege engine. But if we wanted to, we could. But we won’t. But we could.
C-Mag wrote:
Here a guy spears a bear from the ground.
Seen this one before. It's obviously a park-bear, well accustomed to humans, and he's in a campsite with trash barrels.
Looks like a chucklehead, to me, and I'm surprised they'd even allow him to hunt there. Also, his spear shot allowed the animal to suffer and bleed overnight. I mean, yeah it's a kill, but sloppy and unnecessary.
C-Mag wrote:
Here a guy spears a bear from the ground.
Seen this one before. It's obviously a park-bear, well accustomed to humans, and he's in a campsite with trash barrels.
Looks like a chucklehead, to me, and I'm surprised they'd even allow him to hunt there. Also, his spear shot allowed the animal to suffer and bleed overnight. I mean, yeah it's a kill, but sloppy and unnecessary.
Not a park bear, but might as well be. Private land, bears being fed. So, not a lot of fair chase there. These animals more or less are farmed commodities.
The guy is probably a dick, but he did take a bear from the ground.
The animal doesn't suffer much more or less than if he'd been gut shot, the spear was a gut shot. Animal probably died from septic shock as much as blood loss. Most humans see stuff like this and are taken back, some find it sickening. But really, it's no different than African tribesman taking an elephant, Makha Tribesmen in Washington state taking a whale. Or what everyone forgets is nature is a cruel bitch. These animals don't act like Bambi and the Lion King. They kill each other, they leave animals maimed to die. Man is just an animal, but he is a super predator.
C-Mag wrote:
Here a guy spears a bear from the ground.
Seen this one before. It's obviously a park-bear, well accustomed to humans, and he's in a campsite with trash barrels.
Looks like a chucklehead, to me, and I'm surprised they'd even allow him to hunt there. Also, his spear shot allowed the animal to suffer and bleed overnight. I mean, yeah it's a kill, but sloppy and unnecessary.
Not a park bear, but might as well be. Private land, bears being fed. So, not a lot of fair chase there. These animals more or less are farmed commodities.
The guy is probably a dick, but he did take a bear from the ground.
The animal doesn't suffer much more or less than if he'd been gut shot, the spear was a gut shot. Animal probably died from septic shock as much as blood loss. Most humans see stuff like this and are taken back, some find it sickening. But really, it's no different than African tribesman taking an elephant, Makha Tribesmen in Washington state taking a whale. Or what everyone forgets is nature is a cruel bitch. These animals don't act like Bambi and the Lion King. They kill each other, they leave animals maimed to die. Man is just an animal, but he is a super predator.
The difference is that those tribesmen came in a group and killed the things within minutes - not overnight.
C-Mag wrote:
Not a park bear, but might as well be. Private land, bears being fed. So, not a lot of fair chase there. These animals more or less are farmed commodities.
The guy is probably a dick, but he did take a bear from the ground.
The animal doesn't suffer much more or less than if he'd been gut shot, the spear was a gut shot. Animal probably died from septic shock as much as blood loss. Most humans see stuff like this and are taken back, some find it sickening. But really, it's no different than African tribesman taking an elephant, Makha Tribesmen in Washington state taking a whale. Or what everyone forgets is nature is a cruel bitch. These animals don't act like Bambi and the Lion King. They kill each other, they leave animals maimed to die. Man is just an animal, but he is a super predator.
The difference is that those tribesmen came in a group and killed the things within minutes - not overnight.
I don't much have a problem with the overnight thing. He had enough balls to stick a bear on the ground with some threat to himself, but not enough balls to track down the wounded bear with just his spear, right.
The guy is clearly a sport hunter, I've never been a big fan of those guys. Probably gave away the meat and is not interested in harvesting the animal for food. That's the big difference fo rme.
Steve Rinella is one of the good guys along these lines. He's very good about using the meat he takes.
