Talking to the other side - Antifa

[Viktorthepirate]

My ideas to solve that problem:

Halt immigration except for only a very few highly-educated individuals for at least twenty years.

Back out of the globalist trade deals and make unique bilateral trade deals with individual nations in such a way that preserves our own economy, and prohibits the practice of offshoring jobs to produce goods and services that are then imported back into the US destined for US markets. That's not trade. Stop calling it trade, other than perhaps selling American prosperity to offload government debts.

Phase out the visa system except for only a few highly-skilled migrants that are uniquely gifted. All those people need to prepare to go home sometime over the course of the next few years.

Remove all illegal immigrants back to their home countries.

Get the government out of college tuition and collapse that market like the house of cards that it is.

Get the government into programs that encourage more people to enter into trades, as well as encourage businesses to stop using college degrees as entry requirements for jobs that don't really need college degrees. IT comes to mind. That's a trade. You shouldn't need a college degree to do that kind of work.

Our social security system will collapse without immigration. We need to keep growing. American birth rate without immigration isn't high enough.

Well, that's not correct at all. You'd give a it a bit more life without immigration.

I only spat out conventional wisdom. You got any links that debunk that assertion? I'd like to know some counterpoints.

[Speaker to Animals]

Our social security system will collapse without immigration. We need to keep growing. American birth rate without immigration isn't high enough.

Well, that's not correct at all. You'd give a it a bit more life without immigration.

I only spat out conventional wisdom. You got any links that debunk that assertion? I'd like to know some counterpoints.

Because adding more people while reducing the number of jobs is not going to help. You shouldn't need links to understand why it won't work. It's simple logic. If there wasn't a constant drive towards automation and offshoring, maybe it would work out on paper. But that's not the world we live in.

What's more, a lot of them don't even pay into social security because they work under the table. That is killing social security right there while simultaneously driving more people into unemployment, where they are more likely to make social security claims for various illnesses and disabilities.

Social security is in trouble because our fertility rate is crap. You'd basically have to replace the American people to turn that around with immigration. I am unwilling to genocide the American people (and that's basically what you would be doing) to save social security. It's not worth it.

[jediuser598]

Countries included in the travel ban:
Iran, Syria, Sudan, Somalia, Libya, and Yemen

Countries with the largest Muslim populations ( as of 2010)
1. Indonesia (not on list of banned countries)
2. Pakistan (not on list of banned countries)
3. India (not on list of banned countries)
4. Bangladesh ((not on list of banned countries)
5. Nigeria (not on list of banned countries)
6 Iran - Finally, a country on the banned list!

The next one on list (Sudan) is at #12.

Now tell me the sky is green and the grass is blue again.

Not seeing your point. The guy literally says he wants a muslim ban. Why should I not believe him? He also says we wants to "take out their families," and this gem:

Because doing a "hell of a lot worse than waterboarding" is going to win that never ending war on terror.

Oh FFS. Now you're just trolling. I just showed you proof that it isn't a Muslim ban because the top 5 Muslim countries are not on the banned list.

What I'm reading this as, is Trump wants to ban all Muslims from the country, as he said (at least temporarily) but he's told he can't do that by his advisors, so this is the nearest thing. He stated his intent, did he not?

I'd argue that the core of this argument is guessing at his intent. You're right in that the countries with the most Muslims in them aren't being banned (with the exception of Iran), but he couldn't ban a religion from our country anyways, even if he tried, so this might be the second best thing.

Need I remind you that if we're going after Terrorists, 15 of the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabia
15
United Arab Emirates
2
Egypt
1
Lebanon
1

Yet Saudi Arabia isn't on the list.

[DBTrek]

Rhetorical shorthand?

The guy outlines the problem he's trying to tackle in several speeches - Stop poorly vetted Muslim immigrants from entering the country until we have processes in place to more carefully scrutinize who is entering our country.

He references the plan broadly as - a Muslim ban.

This term generically references the plan he's been outlining for months while also dropping a little red meat for the anti-immigration faction that supports him.

Once in power he tries to halt Muslim immigration from nations known for exporting terrorism.

Where's the confusion? It seems like a fairly obvious and linear progression to me.

[Okeefenokee]

He knows.

[Speaker to Animals]

The problem is that we might as well add the UK to the list if that's how we are going to do it. The problem is not nations who export terror. It's the Muslims.

If an actual Englishmen wants to escape the last days of the kingdom of England to America, then I don't mind. But if one of the followers of Anjem Choudary want to come here, I'd rather dump his terrorist ass in the middle of the Atlantic.

As Morressey wrote: “Manchester mayor Andy Burnham says the attack is the work of an ‘extremist’. An extreme what? An extreme rabbit?”

We need to be realistic about these things. This multicult of diversity truly is a cult. It has people not thinking rationally and making suicidal decisions.

[jediuser598]

Rhetorical shorthand?

The guy outlines the problem he's trying to tackle in several speeches - Stop poorly vetted Muslim immigrants from entering the country until we have processes in place to more carefully scrutinize who is entering our country.

He references the plan broadly as - a Muslim ban.

This term generically references the plan he's been outlining for months while also dropping a little red meat for the anti-immigration faction that supports him.

Once in power he tries to halt Muslim immigration from nations known for exporting terrorism.

Where's the confusion? It seems like a fairly obvious and linear progression to me.

So it's his "bid big and then see where it goes from there." I admit I don't understand the mind of Trump, and if that's how the donald works that's how he works. I could be wrong that he wants to ban all muslisms.

Answer me this, when he says he wants to do a hell of a lot worse than water boarding, where does he end up?

[SuburbanFarmer]

Rhetorical shorthand?

The guy outlines the problem he's trying to tackle in several speeches - Stop poorly vetted Muslim immigrants from entering the country until we have processes in place to more carefully scrutinize who is entering our country.

He references the plan broadly as - a Muslim ban.

This term generically references the plan he's been outlining for months while also dropping a little red meat for the anti-immigration faction that supports him.

Once in power he tries to halt Muslim immigration from nations known for exporting terrorism.

Where's the confusion? It seems like a fairly obvious and linear progression to me.

So it's his "bid big and then see where it goes from there." I admit I don't understand the mind of Trump, and if that's how the donald works that's how he works. I could be wrong that he wants to ban all muslisms.

Answer me this, when he says he wants to do a hell of a lot worse than water boarding, where does he end up?

Summary execution of arab males.

[DBTrek]

Answer me this, when he says he wants to do a hell of a lot worse than water boarding, where does he end up?

Summary execution of arab males.

Where has it gone?

Derp.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Answer me this, when he says he wants to do a hell of a lot worse than water boarding, where does he end up?

Summary execution of arab males.

Where has it gone?

Derp.

Status quo.