Coronavirus thread

[Martin Hash]

The simple truth when it comes to this medical treatment is we did everything wrong.

1. If you are going to attempt to create a vaccine for a novel virus you need to have a decent understanding of what the novel virus does to the human body. When these attempted vaccines were first created we knew basically nothing about what the novel virus does to the human body, and as of today we still have a poor understanding.
2a. If you are going to mass treat the population you better understand the potential risks and risk factors of that treatment. At this point in time, we pretty much still do not know the full extent of the risks and risk factors. It is literally impossible for someone to give informed consent on taking the treatment because the information we would need to know in order to give informed consent is either not known or is being withheld/covered up.
2b. If you are going to mass treat the population without understanding the potential risks, you need to be meticulous about reporting potential adverse side-effects. So if there is a trend of adverse-effects you can react quickly to stop the treatments, and research the cause of the adverse-effects to hopefully prevent future adverse-effects in others.
3. If you cannot show that your treatment will end the pandemic you should not mandate that treatment in order to end a pandemic. The simple truth is this treatment does not prevent the spread of the infection, and therefore is incapable of ending the pandemic. If the treatment could prevent 90% of spread, then maybe there would be an argument, but you would still need to be able to complete number 2 before we even get there.

You continue to discuss this as if it was a health issue? It became a political issue 1 second after "2 weeks to flatten the curve."

[SuburbanFarmer]

It was never about the virus.

[The Conservative]

The simple truth when it comes to this medical treatment is we did everything wrong.

1. If you are going to attempt to create a vaccine for a novel virus you need to have a decent understanding of what the novel virus does to the human body. When these attempted vaccines were first created we knew basically nothing about what the novel virus does to the human body, and as of today we still have a poor understanding.
2a. If you are going to mass treat the population you better understand the potential risks and risk factors of that treatment. At this point in time, we pretty much still do not know the full extent of the risks and risk factors. It is literally impossible for someone to give informed consent on taking the treatment because the information we would need to know in order to give informed consent is either not known or is being withheld/covered up.
2b. If you are going to mass treat the population without understanding the potential risks, you need to be meticulous about reporting potential adverse side-effects. So if there is a trend of adverse-effects you can react quickly to stop the treatments, and research the cause of the adverse-effects to hopefully prevent future adverse-effects in others.
3. If you cannot show that your treatment will end the pandemic you should not mandate that treatment in order to end a pandemic. The simple truth is this treatment does not prevent the spread of the infection, and therefore is incapable of ending the pandemic. If the treatment could prevent 90% of spread, then maybe there would be an argument, but you would still need to be able to complete number 2 before we even get there.

You continue to discuss this as if it was a health issue? I became a political issue 1 second after "2 weeks to flatten the curve."

It was political once it "escaped"...

My wife worked with the Doctor that treated the person that brought COVID to the US. I was in direct contact with people who interacted with them too before we knew what COVID-19 was...

What most people don't realize by the time it was reported, it was already too late. Two months too late really...

[Martin Hash]

It was never about the virus.

As you know, I called this even before it happened, speculating that the next move against Trump was going to be desperate. Now it's even bigger: it's Marxists, it's climate alarmists, it's FMWs taking over.

[TheOneX]

The simple truth when it comes to this medical treatment is we did everything wrong.

1. If you are going to attempt to create a vaccine for a novel virus you need to have a decent understanding of what the novel virus does to the human body. When these attempted vaccines were first created we knew basically nothing about what the novel virus does to the human body, and as of today we still have a poor understanding.
2a. If you are going to mass treat the population you better understand the potential risks and risk factors of that treatment. At this point in time, we pretty much still do not know the full extent of the risks and risk factors. It is literally impossible for someone to give informed consent on taking the treatment because the information we would need to know in order to give informed consent is either not known or is being withheld/covered up.
2b. If you are going to mass treat the population without understanding the potential risks, you need to be meticulous about reporting potential adverse side-effects. So if there is a trend of adverse-effects you can react quickly to stop the treatments, and research the cause of the adverse-effects to hopefully prevent future adverse-effects in others.
3. If you cannot show that your treatment will end the pandemic you should not mandate that treatment in order to end a pandemic. The simple truth is this treatment does not prevent the spread of the infection, and therefore is incapable of ending the pandemic. If the treatment could prevent 90% of spread, then maybe there would be an argument, but you would still need to be able to complete number 2 before we even get there.

You continue to discuss this as if it was a health issue? It became a political issue 1 second after "2 weeks to flatten the curve."

Yes, because I am trying to make arguments that will actually convince people, not just get me ignored.

[DBTrek]

Awwwwwwww snap!
Shots fired!

[The Conservative]

The simple truth when it comes to this medical treatment is we did everything wrong.

1. If you are going to attempt to create a vaccine for a novel virus you need to have a decent understanding of what the novel virus does to the human body. When these attempted vaccines were first created we knew basically nothing about what the novel virus does to the human body, and as of today we still have a poor understanding.
2a. If you are going to mass treat the population you better understand the potential risks and risk factors of that treatment. At this point in time, we pretty much still do not know the full extent of the risks and risk factors. It is literally impossible for someone to give informed consent on taking the treatment because the information we would need to know in order to give informed consent is either not known or is being withheld/covered up.
2b. If you are going to mass treat the population without understanding the potential risks, you need to be meticulous about reporting potential adverse side-effects. So if there is a trend of adverse-effects you can react quickly to stop the treatments, and research the cause of the adverse-effects to hopefully prevent future adverse-effects in others.
3. If you cannot show that your treatment will end the pandemic you should not mandate that treatment in order to end a pandemic. The simple truth is this treatment does not prevent the spread of the infection, and therefore is incapable of ending the pandemic. If the treatment could prevent 90% of spread, then maybe there would be an argument, but you would still need to be able to complete number 2 before we even get there.

You continue to discuss this as if it was a health issue? I became a political issue 1 second after "2 weeks to flatten the curve."

Yes, because I am trying to make arguments that will actually convince people, not just get me ignored.

When will you realize any argument except to take the shot will be shot down because you are trying to kill people in their minds?

[Martin Hash]

The simple truth when it comes to this medical treatment is we did everything wrong.

1. If you are going to attempt to create a vaccine for a novel virus you need to have a decent understanding of what the novel virus does to the human body. When these attempted vaccines were first created we knew basically nothing about what the novel virus does to the human body, and as of today we still have a poor understanding.
2a. If you are going to mass treat the population you better understand the potential risks and risk factors of that treatment. At this point in time, we pretty much still do not know the full extent of the risks and risk factors. It is literally impossible for someone to give informed consent on taking the treatment because the information we would need to know in order to give informed consent is either not known or is being withheld/covered up.
2b. If you are going to mass treat the population without understanding the potential risks, you need to be meticulous about reporting potential adverse side-effects. So if there is a trend of adverse-effects you can react quickly to stop the treatments, and research the cause of the adverse-effects to hopefully prevent future adverse-effects in others.
3. If you cannot show that your treatment will end the pandemic you should not mandate that treatment in order to end a pandemic. The simple truth is this treatment does not prevent the spread of the infection, and therefore is incapable of ending the pandemic. If the treatment could prevent 90% of spread, then maybe there would be an argument, but you would still need to be able to complete number 2 before we even get there.

You continue to discuss this as if it was a health issue? It became a political issue 1 second after "2 weeks to flatten the curve."

Yes, because I am trying to make arguments that will actually convince people, not just get me ignored.

Who would those people be?

[DBTrek]

[PartyOf5]

Who would those people be?

Who said that? Did you guys hear something?

jk, Martin.