What's going on in India?

[StCapps]

Watch this video:

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/26 ... bfZa2n4UfM

Airmen drives the point home to Mark Cuban.

The military procurement system is utterly broken and it's going to cost us a war.

America is so corrupt that it will collapse any day now and China will take over. Thanks Zerohedge, I think we get the point.

You could not have even read that article and listened to what the airman had to say in the few seconds between the post and your reply. You are a joke. Don't respond to shit you didn't bother to read.

Some dude told Mark Cuban the sky is falling, woop dee doo.

If you have an argument, make it, stop counting on others to make your argument for you, they aren't doing a very good job of it, not that you could do any better anyway.

[Speaker to Animals]

No, he didn't. He pointed out that the bloated piece of shit that corrupt congressmen spent tens of millions of taxpayer dollars on was better solved by a simple mechanical invention made by airmen to solve the problem on their own. When Mark Cuban asked why Congress would spend all this money on some useless bullshit, the airmen replied "welcome to the military". LOL

The same exact thing should be said about the F-35, except in that case people should be facing indictment for corruption, and fraud, waste and abuse.

[brewster]

StA, I'm curious, were you in favor of the Boeing F-32, or hate the whole JSF program? BTW, the F-15 doesn't have a STOVL version right? So it couldn't replace the F-35 for the Marines.

[Speaker to Animals]

Also, Hastur, with respect to the tanker problem..


The very best range given by the USAF version of the F-35 is something like 1200 nm. That's extremely liberal interpretation, and it's probably less than 1000 nm.

I think the range of the F-15X is a secret, but the range of the earlier F-15E was well over 2500 nm.

So when you are talking about engagements in some theater, divide your range by half and that's your best case range to fly in a circuit, out and back to base without refueling (about 500 nm). But you have to engage in combat, so you are very likely going to burn additional fuel. Realistically, the effective range of an F-35 is about 200-250 nautical miles. That's not much.

The F-15E had an effective range just under a thousand nautical miles back in the day. The F-15X is supposed to have significantly better range.


Furthermore, with respect to the tanker problem, the F-35 can only sport four AIM-120 missiles. The other missiles are mostly useless. Of those four, maybe one will actually hit the target in the most liberal simulations we have run. There's just not enough armament for them to matter much.

On the other hand, the F-15X carries something like 20 or more AIM-120 missiles. That thing can easily protect the tankers and it can keep firing missiles further out into the battle for the F-22s to take command and use. This effectively fixes the limited armament problem of any stealth fighter. It also allows us to launch hypersonic missiles which will smoke most of the fifth gen fighters we face.

The F-15X is not the end all be all of solutions for the tanker problem, but it is a good attempt and a decent stop gap. The problem is that we likely will have to take money away from the F-35 which is a good thing. At least for the Air Force. Those aircraft don't do much good for us at all.

[Speaker to Animals]

StA, I'm curious, were you in favor of the Boeing F-32, or hate the whole JSF program? BTW, the F-15 doesn't have a STOVL version right? So it couldn't replace the F-35 for the Marines.

I don't know much about the F-32 design.

I think the F-35 might be fine for the Marines. They are not in the business of air superiority. The main problem for them likely is just the cost to fly the F-35 compared to some other aircraft. Marines are not winning air wars. They just need to fill CAS roles, which they could probably do just fine with something more like the A-10 and Harrier.

I don't hate the entire JSF program. I just don't think the Air Force should have anything to do with it. The Air Force has serious problems it needs to address, and the F-35 makes those problems quite a lot worse.

I don't think we would win an air war with Russia because of this thing. We'd likely lose pretty fast.

[StCapps]

A lot of military spending is wasted to fund pork in the districts, therefore any spending on F-35 must also be wasted, not a very good argument there StA. By that logic, all military spending is waste.

[Speaker to Animals]

Now you are lying again to avoid addressing the problems.

[StCapps]

Now you are lying again to avoid addressing the problems.

I addressed the "problems" you brought up. You have not addressed the problems that I brought up, and are arguing past me, repeating "problems" I have already addressed, because you are too dumb to see that I already addressed them all, numerous times.

At this juncture, I stand by my posts, and anyone with any reading comprehension skills will see who is and who isn't arguing in good faith around here.

[Speaker to Animals]

No, you really did not. You just lied about what I posted and shouted nuh uh!

I provided a reasoned take on the tanker problem. The problem of low armament. The problem of terrible range.

You do not really know anything about this stuff because you have no aviation experience, no time spent in the air force. Nothing.

You thought submarines will shoot down tankers and that it's perfectly safe for airline companies to fly people across the ocean on only one engine.

You really are so far out of your depth that my amusement has turned to embarrassment for you.

[StCapps]

You just lied about what I posted and shouted nuh uh!

The lack of self awareness, and the desire to project your faults on everyone else, are truly something to behold.


I addressed all the points you mentioned above, and you ignored my responses when you realized I had the upper hand in the argument, it's as plain as day for all to read. So like I said, I stand by my posts, until a good faith argument comes along that is worthy of being addressed.