Europe, Boring Until it's Not

[Speaker to Animals]

The reason vegans constantly go to the typical American unhealthy diet to justify themselves is because they are just as unhealthy if not more so.

They don't want to point to the people who eat balanced diets made at home with whole foods. They know that game doesn't end well for them.

[Okeefenokee]

But you know...

Prohibition did open up some avenues for fun that weren't there before.

What would you rather do, join a meat gang and shoot up other meat gangs in drive-bys, or be a meat bootlegger racing down mountain roads from johnny law?

[TheReal_ND]

We have too much corn in our diet. More people could stand to eat a higher protein and fat diet as opposed to cheap carbs. But that's the issue I run up against if I'm trying to be the dictator is how to do this ethically. Our meat farms are an embarrassment.

[Montegriffo]

I think it is perfectly possible to eat healthily as a meat eater, vegetarian or a vegan. It is also possible to eat unhealthily as any of the above.
Education not dogma is the solution to eating well.
Schools should spend more time teaching healthy eating.

[Okeefenokee]

I think it is perfectly possible to eat healthily as a meat eater, vegetarian or a vegan. It is also possible to eat unhealthily as any of the above.
Education not dogma is the solution to eating well.
Parents should spend more time teaching healthy eating.

fify, statist

[TheReal_ND]

Well that's another problem. Our food pyramid was built upside down. I think there are a number of factors behind this. America has a subsidy problem.

Anything to do with educating our nation concerning a healthy diet I am all for but it's been abused by big money.

[Speaker to Animals]

This is a freebie: if you want to be healthy, just eat a balanced macro nutritional ratio consisting of whole foods. Cut out the processed foods completely. Reduce your exposure to breads, pasta, rice, etc. if you still need to cut fat. If you do eat those grains, eat them in moderation and go for the whole grains (whole wheat bread, brown rice). Limit your meats to fish and chicken breast. Eat only as much meat as you need protein to build or maintain muscle. If you are not trying to build muscle, you really only need about 0.25-0.5 grams of protein per lbs of body weight. For fats, use healthy fats like olive oil. Avoid any industrial oils like canola (that stuff is poison). Avoid processed sugars (that's also poison, and arguably a drug). Eat at least ten servings of fruit and vegetables each day. Try to maximize the color variety of the fruits and veggies, which helps you get all your micronutrients and vitamins. Don't neglect plenty of green veggies, especially cruciferous vegetables like broccoli, spinach, etc.

If you are trying to cut fat, do this with a calorie deficit, and definitely don't eat any pasta, bread, potatoes, or rice, or any starches like that. If you are trying to build muscle (gain weight), add in the potatoes and brown rice, but only go for about 10-20% calorie surplus, and make sure you eat about 0.7 grams of protein per lbs of body weight. Obviously, do strength training to induce hypertrophy with that.

That's it. There's no magic. If you do that for a month, I swear to you that you will see results. I am not fucking around here. You will be so much healthier than pretty much everybody else in no time if you keep that up.

Whole foods and a balanced diet, people..

[Montegriffo]

I think it is perfectly possible to eat healthily as a meat eater, vegetarian or a vegan. It is also possible to eat unhealthily as any of the above.
Education not dogma is the solution to eating well.
Parents should spend more time teaching healthy eating.

fify, statist

Not much use if the parents are uneducated about healthy eating.
Are you learning engineering/calculus or whatever at college or are your parents teaching you?

[JohnDonne]

The reason vegans constantly go to the typical American unhealthy diet to justify themselves is because they are just as unhealthy if not more so.

They don't want to point to the people who eat balanced diets made at home with whole foods. They know that game doesn't end well for them.

More anecdotal bullshit. Can I get a flat shovel, here?

If there's a study comparing vegans "eating balanced diets made at home with whole foods" to omnivores doing the same, then we could compare the results. I would welcome such study, trust me, I'm not worried.

If you don't have a study, then you have an anecdotes and outlandish claims that suspiciously look like something pulled out of your ass.

[Speaker to Animals]

You should be. I am shedding fat pretty fast, eating like a king, and killing it in the gym. Strength is going up. Chronic inflammation going down. Chronic pain going down. My physique is changing fast.

The only diet that I think could beat this is if I just go 100% fish for meat.

You need meat for things like vitamin B12, carnitine, and probably a lot of other micronutrients we barely understand. Saying you can get by for years eating shitty like a vegan is no different than saying people get by for years eating shitty American diets. Sooner or later, a significant number of those people are going to encounter problems. I have seen what happens to vegans and it's not pretty. Fucking mouth sores. Old, aging skin. Muscle atrophy.

It's just terrible. Seriously, sell that cult somewhere else. I eat a balanced diet. It works great for me. I don't plan to change and it's not your place to tell me what to do. I am very interested in diets and nutrition, and love discussing these things. But the religious zeal and intent to force people to adopt your sickly diet really disgusts me. Note how we can all have interesting discussions about keto, paleo, intermittent fasting, etc. Martin Hash doesn't want to force everybody to eat keteogenic diets. He's just talking about what works for him and how it works, biologically. I am not trying to force people to eat traditional, whole foods diets. It works for me. I will encourage you to do it, but that's it.

The only time nutrition becomes a moral issue is when you are fucking up your body which, ironically, is on you, not me. To eat a proper vegan diet, you need to very carefully plan your nutrition, take plenty of supplements to get what you are lacking from food, and you need routine blood work to ensure you are not becoming malnourished.