DACA

[Speaker to Animals]

Oh, so for reasons, we should think of less than 700,000 as 4,000,000. I would love to look that research up and see how they arrived at that number, but your favorite blog didn't link that information.

They did have a long quote from the Migration Policy Institute about unaccompanied minors, which are different than minors brought in by their parents, but that is the sort of detail ignoring, subject changing, panic mongering without sources we have come to know and love from the big B.

The "reasons" were explained in the article. It's called chained immigration and apparently once you let one of them in, there are all sorts of programs for them to help their family get here too. It's a racket!

The 'reasons' are asserted without evidence in the blog post.

Either way, if I were a savvy deal maker, I might use DACA (which has an ethical corner stone) to negotiate away some of those programs, should they actually exist, and actually do what the blog post claims.

Maybe focusing on that instead of an expensive, pointless border totem would be a better use of the art of deal making I have heard so much about.

Oh. Okay. So we don't have immigration policies that fast track their relatives into the country? Was the article wrong?

[TheReal_ND]

ill researched, point obscuring

Nice straw man. Chain immigration is real. Part of what took the travel ban to court was the fact that certain jewish interests wanted to make sure refugees could bring their families. A little hazy on that whole thing right now but I can get a podcast for you that talks about it in depth if you want. Chain migration doesn't only apply to refugees it applies in other ways as well.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

The "reasons" were explained in the article. It's called chained immigration and apparently once you let one of them in, there are all sorts of programs for them to help their family get here too. It's a racket!

The 'reasons' are asserted without evidence in the blog post.

Either way, if I were a savvy deal maker, I might use DACA (which has an ethical corner stone) to negotiate away some of those programs, should they actually exist, and actually do what the blog post claims.

Maybe focusing on that instead of an expensive, pointless border totem would be a better use of the art of deal making I have heard so much about.

Oh. Okay. So we don't have immigration policies that fast track their relatives into the country? Was the article wrong?

I wouldn't know. The blog post didn't give any details, or link to any research.

Again, either way, it seems like Trump has a good bargaining chip against any such policies.

[Speaker to Animals]

The 'reasons' are asserted without evidence in the blog post.

Either way, if I were a savvy deal maker, I might use DACA (which has an ethical corner stone) to negotiate away some of those programs, should they actually exist, and actually do what the blog post claims.

Maybe focusing on that instead of an expensive, pointless border totem would be a better use of the art of deal making I have heard so much about.

Oh. Okay. So we don't have immigration policies that fast track their relatives into the country? Was the article wrong?

I wouldn't know. The blog post didn't give any details, or link to any research.

Again, either way, it seems like Trump has a good bargaining chip against any such policies.

It wasn't a blog post. It was a link to research from Princeton. I am starting to think you didn't read it.


They also corroborated it with the actual government statistics on the matter: https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/fil ... 7_qtr2.pdf

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

ill researched, point obscuring

Nice straw man. Chain immigration is real. Part of what took the travel ban to court was the fact that certain jewish interests wanted to make sure refugees could bring their families. A little hazy on that whole thing right now but I can get a podcast for you that talks about it in depth if you want. Chain migration doesn't only apply to refugees it applies in other ways as well.

It is only a straw man if it isn't true. The blog post was ill researched, and obscured the point with unrelated information. Valid criticism, not a straw man.

The conspiracies of international Jewery against Americans notwithstanding.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Oh. Okay. So we don't have immigration policies that fast track their relatives into the country? Was the article wrong?

I wouldn't know. The blog post didn't give any details, or link to any research.

Again, either way, it seems like Trump has a good bargaining chip against any such policies.

It wasn't a blog post. It was a link to research from Princeton. I am starting to think you didn't read it.

There was no link to the Princeton research in the blog post you linked. I checked all the links.

[Speaker to Animals]

I wouldn't know. The blog post didn't give any details, or link to any research.

Again, either way, it seems like Trump has a good bargaining chip against any such policies.

It wasn't a blog post. It was a link to research from Princeton. I am starting to think you didn't read it.

There was no link to the Princeton research in the blog post you linked. I checked all the links.

Can you please actually show where the article is wrong? Your repeated assertions to the point without any controverting evidence I find unconvincing.


I am fairly certain I have encountered immigrants who were fast tracked into this country because their relatives were naturalized. This isn't something I just heard about. If those kinds of programs no longer apply, then please show when they ended.

[TheReal_ND]

ill researched, point obscuring

Nice straw man. Chain immigration is real. Part of what took the travel ban to court was the fact that certain jewish interests wanted to make sure refugees could bring their families. A little hazy on that whole thing right now but I can get a podcast for you that talks about it in depth if you want. Chain migration doesn't only apply to refugees it applies in other ways as well.

It is only a straw man if it isn't true. The blog post was ill researched, and obscured the point with unrelated information. Valid criticism, not a straw man.

The conspiracies of international Jewery against Americans notwithstanding.

Excuse me, what is the Hart-Cellar act? Are those Jewish people pushing for international world wide immigration or aren't they? Are some of the most vocal people speaking out against immigration reform Jews are aren't they? It's not a theory if it's a fact.

Anyway, they sourced a statement given by USCIS. I'm unsure where they got the 6:1 figure but it doesn't sound far off. Granting amnesty would in fact pave a way to their entire family coming here. Take a look.

https://search.uscis.gov/search?utf8=✓& ... ing+family

[Speaker to Animals]

That government information portal seems poorly researched.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

It wasn't a blog post. It was a link to research from Princeton. I am starting to think you didn't read it.

There was no link to the Princeton research in the blog post you linked. I checked all the links.

Can you please actually show where the article is wrong? Your repeated assertions to the point without any controverting evidence I find unconvincing.


I am fairly certain I have encountered immigrants who were fast tracked into this country because their relatives were naturalized. This isn't something I just heard about. If those kinds of programs no longer apply, then please show when they ended.

I am not going to do Breitbart's homework for them. If they assert it without evidence, I will dismiss it in the same fashion.

If we want to talk about immigration policies unrelated to DACA, then shoot. Find me a policy, tell me what you don't like about it, and, given my views on immigration, I will probably agree.