Need Advice - firing someone

[Viktorthepirate]

Fire him in garrison, you don't fire him in the field in a TIC.

Lol true

That's what I mean by civvy side, business, there is no garrison, you're in a TIC at all times.

Yea, it was probably a poor analogy lol.

War, guys die so you must do unethical things to win.

Business is war, but you can’t treat men as material like in war. I try to be as ethical as possible. I didn’t feel the same in Iraq.

[Smitty-48]

Lol true

That's what I mean by civvy side, business, there is no garrison, you're in a TIC at all times.

Yea, it was probably a poor analogy lol.

War, guys die so you must do unethical things to win.

Business is war, but you can’t treat men as material like in war. I try to be as ethical as possible. I didn’t feel the same in Iraq.

In Iraq you were fulfilling your oath to the constitution, this is a different war, different mission, you were ethical in Iraq because you fulfilled your oath, but you never took an oath to be broke assed in America.

[Viktorthepirate]

Dude, life isn’t TV. He’s your man, keep him but clear the air. He’s even worth bailing out a couple times on DUIs.

I have experience in these matters. My goodness you should hear Jason’s life story; he’s a Three-Striker yet one of the most valuable guys I have. And James has been in-n-out of the slammer a few times, once in Mexico. Life is more complex than what you’re taught in Sunday School.

Oh I get that Martin, totally.

I’m not looking at this for bullshit reasons.

If I don’t make profit I don’t retire to my island at 36 lol.

If he’s getting DUIs and fucking hookers I could give 2 fucks.

What I’m worried about is him fucking us at year 3 of the 5 year plan and I don’t get to fucking retire.

Liars and thieves tend to do that.

I’ve known plenty of degenerates you can trust man to man. Can’t say the same for liars and thieves.

[Viktorthepirate]

That's what I mean by civvy side, business, there is no garrison, you're in a TIC at all times.

Yea, it was probably a poor analogy lol.

War, guys die so you must do unethical things to win.

Business is war, but you can’t treat men as material like in war. I try to be as ethical as possible. I didn’t feel the same in Iraq.

In Iraq you were fulfilling your oath to the constitution, this is a different war, different mission, you were ethical in Iraq because you fulfilled your oath, but you never took an oath to be broke assed in America.

Nah, best thing is I can say is that I didn’t commit war crimes.

But I wasn’t an upstanding man as civilians understand it. I did what I had to do.

I prefer not to say the same thing in my civilian life. I’m sure it sounds naive but my ethics and reputation have paid dividends so far.

[Smitty-48]

Yea, it was probably a poor analogy lol.

War, guys die so you must do unethical things to win.

Business is war, but you can’t treat men as material like in war. I try to be as ethical as possible. I didn’t feel the same in Iraq.

In Iraq you were fulfilling your oath to the constitution, this is a different war, different mission, you were ethical in Iraq because you fulfilled your oath, but you never took an oath to be broke assed in America.

Nah, best thing is I can say is that I didn’t commit war crimes.

But I wasn’t an upstanding man as civilians understand it. I did what I had to do.

I prefer not to say the same thing in my civilian life. I’m sure it sounds naive but my ethics and reputation have paid dividends so far.

Well you're upstanding soldier with me and you know it, if you were going around chopping peoples heads off with an entrenching tool, good on you, fuck the Iraqis, but, consider this, are we talking about just you here? How many people work for this company? How many people are depending on the profit mission here? Mission over men, are you the only shooter in the stack here who is relying on this guy to bring the heat?

[MilSpecs]

Why don't you automate what you can so it doesn't go through the card and put a relatively small limit on the card to up the accountability? For example, my husband (the rainmaker in his region) has many of his expenses automated - the car, service, gas, insurance, etc. is paid directly by the company. The company holds the boxes at the sports stadiums so he doesn't have to expense them, other than golf because they don't have membership at a club. He has to expense golf. His card is for wining and dining, but it would be quite visible if he started using it for anything other than taking people out to eat and parking. I would consider the current situation in your company the result of an inefficient cost control system rather than the employees moral failing. These guys feel entitled so the system needs to keep them in check, and you need to recognize that they may not be out to rob you blind - it may just be that sense of entitlement that needs to be managed.

[Martin Hash]

My last comment on this will be the one mutterfukker I SHOULD have fired, the back-stabbing, thieving SOB. Otherwise he was a fucking Boy Scout: no drinking, no smoking, no cussing. Yet he cheated on his wife and betrayed me. Worst part, I knew it was coming. If you know it’s coming, don’t just fire him, put a hit out on his ass.

[Viktorthepirate]

In Iraq you were fulfilling your oath to the constitution, this is a different war, different mission, you were ethical in Iraq because you fulfilled your oath, but you never took an oath to be broke assed in America.

Nah, best thing is I can say is that I didn’t commit war crimes.

But I wasn’t an upstanding man as civilians understand it. I did what I had to do.

I prefer not to say the same thing in my civilian life. I’m sure it sounds naive but my ethics and reputation have paid dividends so far.

Well you're upstanding soldier with me and you know it, if you were going around chopping peoples heads off with an entrenching tool, good on you, fuck the Iraqis, but, consider this, are we talking about just you here? How many people work for this company? How many people are depending on the profit mission here? Mission over men, are you the only shooter in the stack here who is relying on this guy to bring the heat?

It’s a small amount of sales guys and even support. We operate very lean. Every company I worked for making the same revenue had double the employees.

5 sales guys. Normal guy does 1.5 mil at 30-35% margin. This guys does 2.5 at 40%. Like I said... a superstar.

I worked my way up in a very short amount of time based on my talent and a whole lot of luck, and I’m not as good as that guy. He is a very rare talent.

[Smitty-48]

Nah, best thing is I can say is that I didn’t commit war crimes.

But I wasn’t an upstanding man as civilians understand it. I did what I had to do.

I prefer not to say the same thing in my civilian life. I’m sure it sounds naive but my ethics and reputation have paid dividends so far.

Well you're upstanding soldier with me and you know it, if you were going around chopping peoples heads off with an entrenching tool, good on you, fuck the Iraqis, but, consider this, are we talking about just you here? How many people work for this company? How many people are depending on the profit mission here? Mission over men, are you the only shooter in the stack here who is relying on this guy to bring the heat?

It’s a small amount of sales guys and even support. We operate very lean. Every company I worked for making the same revenue had double the employees.

5 sales guys. Normal guy does 1.5 mil at 30-35% margin. This guys does 2.5 at 40%. Like I said... a superstar.

I worked my way up in a very short amount of time based on my talent and a whole lot of luck, and I’m not as good as that guy. He is a very rare talent.

It's a million fuckin dollahs a year, like Marty says, that buys a lot of slack for hookers and blow, fucktons of money and retire to the West Indies.

[Viktorthepirate]

Why don't you automate what you can so it doesn't go through the card and put a relatively small limit on the card to up the accountability? For example, my husband (the rainmaker in his region) has many of his expenses automated - the car, service, gas, insurance, etc. is paid directly by the company. The company holds the boxes at the sports stadiums so he doesn't have to expense them, other than golf because they don't have membership at a club. He has to expense golf. His card is for wining and dining, but it would be quite visible if he started using it for anything other than taking people out to eat and parking. I would consider the current situation in your company the result of an inefficient cost control system rather than the employees moral failing. These guys feel entitled so the system needs to keep them in check, and you need to recognize that they may not be out to rob you blind - it may just be that sense of entitlement that needs to be managed.

What you say makes perfect sense.

But his illegitimate spending is not tied to a misunderstanding and he admitted that.

It’s not like he spent $500 on a customer dinner and I’m questioning that.

He spent 5k on stuff that is without a doubt, no questions asked, illegitimate.and the only excuse he offers is he mistook his personal card for a company card.... than why am I not seeing you spend $50 on accident at the grocery store? Why is it always $300+ At luxury places?