Meanwhile in Iraq & Syria

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Re: Meanwhile in Iraq & Syria

Post by Alexander PhiAlipson » Fri Apr 07, 2017 7:02 am

Fife wrote:
Speaker to Animals wrote:Can we back this up to the part where we don't have any substantive confirmation that there was a chemical strike in the first place, or if there was one, who was responsible?

Assad gave up his chemical weapons a few years ago. He is winning the civil war. He has no need to launch chemical weapons at people. The rebels on the other hand actually have been manufacturing them, especially chlorine gas, and it's entirely possible that what the Syrian government claims is true: they hit a rebel ammunition dump not knowing there was a stockpile of chemical weapons there.

It's really strange to me that that the various rebel factions have been launching chemical weapons on people for years and nobody gave a shit, but now this..
Assad launching the attack on Tuesday makes less and less sense the more I think about it.
Right--and Trump's response seems to cover all bases--those who believe Assad did it may be happy about the strike, and those who don't may be happy that Trump just made some very expensive, but very suggestive, potholes. :think:
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Re: Meanwhile in Iraq & Syria

Post by BjornP » Fri Apr 07, 2017 7:03 am

Speaker to Animals wrote:Can we back this up to the part where we don't have any substantive confirmation that there was a chemical strike in the first place, or if there was one, who was responsible?

Assad gave up his chemical weapons a few years ago. He is winning the civil war. He has no need to launch chemical weapons at people. The rebels on the other hand actually have been manufacturing them, especially chlorine gas, and it's entirely possible that what the Syrian government claims is true: they hit a rebel ammunition dump not knowing there was a stockpile of chemical weapons there.

It's really strange to me that that the various rebel factions have been launching chemical weapons on people for years and nobody gave a shit, but now this..
"No need"? Not really. Even if he wins the war against the FSA rebels, he'll still have the Rojava Kurds to deal with afterwards. He'll need to show strength. The province where the gas attack took place, Idlib, was a rebel stronghold. Smitty already posted something like this, but to repeat it: What better way to show the rest of your people that rising up against your legitimate rule will be met with total annihilation, no mercy for anyone who fights against or support those who fight against the government?

Of course, gas is just one of many ways to do so, and for all we know it could have been a rebel gas factory that got bombed. But the idea that Assad "of course", or "logically" would not terrorize his own people.... :lol: ... I fully get why you don't want to be dragged into another ME war, but that doesn't mean that those who write stories about bad ME dictators' nasty behavior are lying - even if their motive is to use those stories to get you dragged into another ME war.
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Re: Meanwhile in Iraq & Syria

Post by DBTrek » Fri Apr 07, 2017 7:04 am

Indeed.
Another compelling recitation of the "It's not fair" argument.

Has the press been alerted?
Someone get Reuters on the line, we need to get word out to the world:
"HEY EVERYBODY, THE USA BLASTED AN AIRBASE OWNED BY A WMD-USING TYRANT, BUT THE USA ALSO SUPPORTED WMD-USING TYRANTS BEFORE!!!!"

OMG! That changes everything.

Or nothing, depending on where you fall along the IQ spectrum.
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Re: Meanwhile in Iraq & Syria

Post by kybkh » Fri Apr 07, 2017 7:04 am

Scott Adams got about as positive a spin as you can put on it...

As I blogged yesterday, the claim that Assad ordered a chemical attack on his own people in the past week doesn’t pass my sniff test. For Assad to order a gas attack now – while his side is finally winning – he would have to be willing to risk his life and his regime for no real military advantage. I’m not buying that.

But let’s say the world believes Assad or a rogue general under his command gassed his own people. What’s an American President to do? If Trump does nothing, he appears weak, and it invites mischief from other countries. But if he launches 59 Tomahawk missiles at a Syrian military air base base within a few days, which he did, the U.S. gets several benefits at low cost:

1. President Trump just solved for the allegation that he is Putin’s puppet. He doesn’t look like Putin’s puppet today. And that was Trump’s biggest problem, which made it America’s problem too. No one wants a president who is under a cloud of suspicion about Russian influence.

2. President Trump solved (partly) for the allegation that he is incompetent. You can hate this military action, but even Trump’s critics will call it measured and rational. Like it or not, President Trump’s credibility is likely to rise because of this, if not his popularity. Successful military action does that for presidents.....


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Re: Meanwhile in Iraq & Syria

Post by kybkh » Fri Apr 07, 2017 7:07 am

Whoa, who the fuck is this guy Alexander PhiAlipson if he's not this guy DBTrek??
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Re: Meanwhile in Iraq & Syria

Post by Martin Hash » Fri Apr 07, 2017 7:08 am

kybkh wrote:Scott Adams got about as positive a spin as you can put on it...

As I blogged yesterday, the claim that Assad ordered a chemical attack on his own people in the past week doesn’t pass my sniff test. For Assad to order a gas attack now – while his side is finally winning – he would have to be willing to risk his life and his regime for no real military advantage. I’m not buying that.

But let’s say the world believes Assad or a rogue general under his command gassed his own people. What’s an American President to do? If Trump does nothing, he appears weak, and it invites mischief from other countries. But if he launches 59 Tomahawk missiles at a Syrian military air base base within a few days, which he did, the U.S. gets several benefits at low cost:

1. President Trump just solved for the allegation that he is Putin’s puppet. He doesn’t look like Putin’s puppet today. And that was Trump’s biggest problem, which made it America’s problem too. No one wants a president who is under a cloud of suspicion about Russian influence.

2. President Trump solved (partly) for the allegation that he is incompetent. You can hate this military action, but even Trump’s critics will call it measured and rational. Like it or not, President Trump’s credibility is likely to rise because of this, if not his popularity. Successful military action does that for presidents.....


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Re: Meanwhile in Iraq & Syria

Post by DBTrek » Fri Apr 07, 2017 7:10 am

MH?

Scott Adams simply stated the obvious.
He said nothing that shouldn't have been glaringly obvious to anyone who gave this event two entire seconds of thought.
Is that all it takes to be "meta" these days?

Judging by the reactions I'm seeing on FB, maybe so.
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Re: Meanwhile in Iraq & Syria

Post by kybkh » Fri Apr 07, 2017 7:10 am

DBTrek wrote:MH?

Scott Adams simply stated the obvious.
Is that all it takes to be "meta" these days?

Judging by the reactions I'm seeing on FB, maybe so.
It's obvious to maybe 5% of the population, literally.
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Re: Meanwhile in Iraq & Syria

Post by kybkh » Fri Apr 07, 2017 7:13 am

Anyone got good aftermath footage of the airfield?
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Re: Meanwhile in Iraq & Syria

Post by apeman » Fri Apr 07, 2017 7:13 am

Dunno if covered in previous 40 pages, but do we have any proof that Assad gassed the kids?