Meanwhile in Ukraine

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by StCapps » Mon Apr 25, 2022 8:54 am

Martin Hash wrote:
Mon Apr 25, 2022 8:52 am
I’ll change my opinion when the facts change.
your opinion doesn't seem to be based on the facts

it seems to be based on virtue signalling your disdain for the media

by believing the opposite of what they believe

no further thought required
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by StCapps » Mon Apr 25, 2022 8:56 am

The Conservative wrote:
Mon Apr 25, 2022 8:53 am
StCapps wrote:
Mon Apr 25, 2022 8:45 am
C-Mag wrote:
Mon Apr 25, 2022 8:40 am


Not performing well = Defeat ?

I was told a month ago Mariupol was important and would stand. That didn't happen, so now Mariupol is not important. :think:

Nothing of signifigance ? Depends on who you are, the shelling has stopped in the Donbas for the first time in 8 years. For those ethnic Russians, it's damned significant. Plus they now have a land route to Crimea and have restored irrigation water flow to Crimea.

Russians through history don't care about taking steep losses, frankly, that's a Western thing. Most non-Western nations put little value on human life. Russia doesn't care about humans, Ukraine doesn't care about humans.

You say Russia is Defeated, so when will the war end with Russia returning to it's pre-War borders ?
you can only see America's strategic defeats

but can't see Russia's due to tunnel visioning on tactics

take your America Derangement Syndrome blinders off

if America invaded Ukraine and were doing this poorly

then you'd see it for the obvious clusterfuck strategic defeat that it is

but because Russia is doing it you think it's 4D Chess?

sad

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I see a way to defeat Russia, and this isn't it. And you aren't fighting Russia, also you are fighting the Soviet Union.
Russia is doing a great job defeating itself

they are their own worst enemy
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by C-Mag » Mon Apr 25, 2022 9:08 am

StCapps wrote:
Mon Apr 25, 2022 8:45 am

you can only see America's strategic defeats

but can't see Russia's due to tunnel visioning on tactics

take your America Derangement Syndrome blinders off

if America invaded Ukraine and were doing this poorly

then you'd see it for the obvious clusterfuck that it is

but because Russia is doing it you think it's 4D Chess?

sad

right wing identity politics is a helluva drug
NEGATIVE. I haven't said any of that stuff.

What I did say a month ago about Mariupol was, 'We'll See' in response to being told Ukraine defeated Russia in Mariupol. Now you're telling me it doesn't matter. Though if you were paying attention, it mattered enough to Ukraine to fight to the last man.

Russia is not playing 4D chess, they just do war differently. The American way of war when successful is just more surgical than the Russians. We stand off, use Air power to destroy key infrastructure, communications, power, resources, when the battlfield is prepared only then do we move in with overwhelming force to make short quick violent attacks. See the Persian Gulf War or the Invasion of Iraq in 2003. That's American strategy done right.

Russians stand off, use massed artillery from afar and destroy everything in their path, not surgical, but same result, then move in slowly and destroy what is left.

In both cases, success requires leaders to have to take on the responsibility of the brutality of war and innocents getting killed. America is no longer willing to do that when they are clearly at the helm. We will do it all day long in proxy wars, but not when we clearly have the responsibility.

I want Peace. I want my leaders to negotiate a peace. Because I care about America, I don't want us involved in a Proxy War in Ukraine.

I still haven't heard a good reason for the US to be involved in this war.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by C-Mag » Mon Apr 25, 2022 9:09 am

Martin Hash wrote:
Mon Apr 25, 2022 8:52 am
I’ll change my opinion when the facts change.
This
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Martin Hash » Mon Apr 25, 2022 9:13 am

StCapps wrote:
Mon Apr 25, 2022 8:54 am
Martin Hash wrote:
Mon Apr 25, 2022 8:52 am
I’ll change my opinion when the facts change.
your opinion doesn't seem to be based on the facts

it seems to be based on virtue signalling your disdain for the media

by believing the opposite of what they believe

no further thought required
Trying to bully me by imputing my motives certainly isn't going to change my mind.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by C-Mag » Mon Apr 25, 2022 9:16 am

Our Experts have been awful in predicting what will happen. The first week of March they said Russia could only maintain fighting for 10 more days. That was wrong.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Haumana » Mon Apr 25, 2022 9:20 am

StCapps wrote:
Mon Apr 25, 2022 7:25 am
C-Mag wrote:
Mon Apr 25, 2022 7:22 am
StCapps wrote:
Mon Apr 25, 2022 7:15 am
well you want to bog down the Russians as much as possible

while not arming the Ukrainians too much so that get too powerful

balance of power can be a tricky thing
So, Russia is not done ?

If Russia is defeated, no sense in sending more money and weapons to Ukraine. If Russia is defeated, there is no sense 'Bogging Russia Down'. Bogging someone down suggests a status quo, a balance with no movement, not Victory.
stalemate is strategic defeat for Russia

you are focusing too much on the tactical

I'm talking strategy here
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Haumana » Mon Apr 25, 2022 9:22 am

StCapps wrote:
Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:44 am
Russia has already lost

this war was clear and obvious blunder

exposing many of their glaring weaknesses

that were previously perceived to be some of their few strengths

these events are speeding up the demise of Russia

claims of Russia playing a smart geopolitical chess game here

are flat out retarded

there position is getting weaker with each move
Obvious trolling is obvious. Even from a geopolitical and military strategist wizard. Reasons.

Capps isn't nearly as entertained with hockey talk as he tries to make others believe.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by C-Mag » Mon Apr 25, 2022 9:24 am

NATO members starting to question the outcome of the war.
Reuters April 22, 2022 23:41 JST
NEW DELHI/LONDON -- British Prime Minister Boris Johnson on Friday conceded that the war in Ukraine could last until 2023 and that Russia could emerge as the victor.

The UK is wavering on Ukrainian success, declaring Russia has lost already is foolish Strategy.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Haumana » Mon Apr 25, 2022 9:24 am

C-Mag wrote:
Mon Apr 25, 2022 9:08 am
StCapps wrote:
Mon Apr 25, 2022 8:45 am

you can only see America's strategic defeats

but can't see Russia's due to tunnel visioning on tactics

take your America Derangement Syndrome blinders off

if America invaded Ukraine and were doing this poorly

then you'd see it for the obvious clusterfuck that it is

but because Russia is doing it you think it's 4D Chess?

sad

right wing identity politics is a helluva drug
NEGATIVE. I haven't said any of that stuff.

What I did say a month ago about Mariupol was, 'We'll See' in response to being told Ukraine defeated Russia in Mariupol. Now you're telling me it doesn't matter. Though if you were paying attention, it mattered enough to Ukraine to fight to the last man.

Russia is not playing 4D chess, they just do war differently. The American way of war when successful is just more surgical than the Russians. We stand off, use Air power to destroy key infrastructure, communications, power, resources, when the battlfield is prepared only then do we move in with overwhelming force to make short quick violent attacks. See the Persian Gulf War or the Invasion of Iraq in 2003. That's American strategy done right.

Russians stand off, use massed artillery from afar and destroy everything in their path, not surgical, but same result, then move in slowly and destroy what is left.

In both cases, success requires leaders to have to take on the responsibility of the brutality of war and innocents getting killed. America is no longer willing to do that when they are clearly at the helm. We will do it all day long in proxy wars, but not when we clearly have the responsibility.

I want Peace. I want my leaders to negotiate a peace. Because I care about America, I don't want us involved in a Proxy War in Ukraine.

I still haven't heard a good reason for the US to be involved in this war.
He's Canadian. He don't even have know US.