Europe, Boring Until it's Not

[The Conservative]

Murder rate is 1/5 of US rate. You are 5 times more likely to be murdered than me.

Who's taking bets that he's using shooting data and not gun murder data?

Shooting deaths includes self defense shootings and suicides.

Nope. Using homicides per 100k of population. US 5 v UK 1.

Use the real stats, you know as well as I do the term murder is statistically different by country. The US is one of the few if not the only country that lumps all data into the types of killings into a pool. While the UK and other countries play the naming game to make it look like their is actually less death going on there than there really is.

This is common knowledge... or I thought it was until you opened your yap.

[Montegriffo]

Show me the ''real'' stats then.

[Speaker to Animals]

More than 350 people are the victim of knife assaults every day in England and Wales, the latest crime figures have revealed.

Last night a teenager in Lambeth, London, became the latest victim of the stabbing epidemic, dying in hospital after a frenzied attack.

Almost 130,000 attacks involved knives last year - equivalent to one every four minutes - according to the annual British Crime Survey.

This figure does not include the tens of thousands of assaults against under-16s. However, unlike the police records published yesterday, it does include crimes which are not reported to the authorities.

The police data revealed 22,000 serious knife assaults - including 231 attempted murders - were reported to the police last year.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... lling.html

England and Wales have comparatively tiny populations too.

[Speaker to Animals]

The rise in crime in England and Wales is accelerating, according to police figures, which show a 14% year-on-year increase in offences recorded by forces across England and Wales.
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Knife crime has gone up even more steeply, by 21% in the 12 months to September, and gun crime has risen by 20%, according to quarterly figures released on Thursday.

Police chiefs said the increases – including a 32% rise in domestic burglary to 261,965 offences and an 18% rise in vehicle-related crimes (443,577 offences) alongside the sharp rises in violent crime – marked a turning point after more than 20 years of sustained falls in these categories.

“Today’s police officers are dealing with more complex crime, more safeguarding and protecting vulnerable people and an unprecedented terror threat, as well as tackling some of the genuine rises in knife and gun crime, robbery, burglary and vehicle-related crime – crimes which turn the trend on many years of reductions,” said chief constable Bill Skelly, of the National Police Chiefs’ Council.

Meanwhile, official figures show that the number of police officers in England and Wales has fallen by 930 in the past 12 months, to 121,929, the lowest level since comparable records began in 1996. Police officer numbers are now 22,424 below their peak in 2009, when there were 144,353 officers.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... -and-wales

[The Conservative]

Show me the ''real'' stats then.

Not my monkey, not my circus... you are claiming something with doctored information, you have been called out on it, and shown why. You prove to us that what you say is true with "real" stats...

[Montegriffo]

More than 350 people are the victim of knife assaults every day in England and Wales, the latest crime figures have revealed.

Last night a teenager in Lambeth, London, became the latest victim of the stabbing epidemic, dying in hospital after a frenzied attack.

Almost 130,000 attacks involved knives last year - equivalent to one every four minutes - according to the annual British Crime Survey.

This figure does not include the tens of thousands of assaults against under-16s. However, unlike the police records published yesterday, it does include crimes which are not reported to the authorities.

The police data revealed 22,000 serious knife assaults - including 231 attempted murders - were reported to the police last year.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... lling.html

England and Wales have comparatively tiny populations too.

Now who is twisting data. A knife crime is not the same as a stabbing. It is an offence to carry a knife over 3 inches in length so your 350 per day is not 350 stabbings. The actual figure is 11 stabbings per day.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/11-s ... -r5726p8hk
London had 80 fatal stabbings last year. That is a tiny fraction of the gun deaths in Chicago with a much larger population.

[Montegriffo]

Show me the ''real'' stats then.

Not my monkey, not my circus... you are claiming something with doctored information, you have been called out on it, and shown why. You prove to us that what you say is true with "real" stats...

Ok, which stats are acceptable to you I'll look it up?

[BjornP]

Oh, for crying out loud...

http://www.businessinsider.com/us-vs-we ... &IR=T&IR=T

And the reason there is more homocides in the US compared to other OECD countries is that more Americans want to kill other Americans. The murderer isn't the gun, the knife, the rock or whatever murder weapon of choice you can imagine, it's obviously the person. If most Americans collected more guns just to shine them, enjoy how the sound at the gun range, etc. that wouldn't be enough to explain a higher homocide rate. A breakdown of trust between members of the same communities, same society, the fragmentation of society, seems a more credible explanation given what's been discussed over the years on these forums.

[Ph64]

Oh, for crying out loud...

http://www.businessinsider.com/us-vs-we ... &IR=T&IR=T

And the reason there is more homocides in the US compared to other OECD countries is that more Americans want to kill other Americans. The murderer isn't the gun, the knife, the rock or whatever murder weapon of choice you can imagine, it's obviously the person. If most Americans collected more guns just to shine them, enjoy how the sound at the gun range, etc. that wouldn't be enough to explain a higher homocide rate. A breakdown of trust between members of the same communities, same society, the fragmentation of society, seems a more credible explanation given what's been discussed over the years on these forums.

Europe will slowly gain on the US as they import more and more "cultural enrichment"...

[Speaker to Animals]

Bjorn just posted what some of us have been saying for a while now as if he just thought of it.