Another School Shooting (Wrong Narrative Though)

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Re: Another School Shooting (Wrong Narrative Though)

Post by Speaker to Animals » Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:12 pm

Yet another example:
Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
Abraham Lincoln
November 19, 1863


Like many of you, I was made to memorize this speech not only to understand our nation's history, but to better understand rhetoric.

How ironic, then, that this address was written by a man who was educated by his mother on the family farm. Strange how a man so educated can be so eloquent, and yet a legion of children marched off to a factory-like jobs program for government union workers cannot even read it.

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Re: Another School Shooting (Wrong Narrative Though)

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:12 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:It looks to me like government schools took a body of students who were far more literate, and in about five generations produced students who are functionally illiterate.

Students were most literate when government schools were first mandated and the government tried to shut down the Catholic schools. As time went on, the government school students grew steadily less literate than their parochial counterparts.

Now something as basic bitch as a Catholic school once was is considered posh education compared to state indoctrination. Go figure.
I’m sure the scientific curriculum is top-notch.
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Re: Another School Shooting (Wrong Narrative Though)

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:13 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:Yet another example:
Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
Abraham Lincoln
November 19, 1863


Like many of you, I was made to memorize this speech not only to understand our nation's history, but to better understand rhetoric.

How ironic, then, that this address was written by a man who was educated by his mother on the family farm. Strange how a man so educated can be so eloquent, and yet a legion of children marched off to a factory-like jobs program for government union workers cannot even read it.
Home schooling is far superior of course. Just need to reverse inflation to the point that a single income family can survive in this country.
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Re: Another School Shooting (Wrong Narrative Though)

Post by Penner » Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:16 pm

If you are going to provide only private education then you better find a way to make it affordable and/or cheap for all parents then. Vouchers, lotteries, scholarships only go so far, IMO. I am not saying that this should be a private school vs public school debate but public schools do and can provide a service and function to our society which is valuable. Private schools can be great schools but so can public schools, IMO. Plus, there are bad private schools and bad public schools, IMO, as well.
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Re: Another School Shooting (Wrong Narrative Though)

Post by Speaker to Animals » Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:19 pm

Weird how we were doing that just fine before the government came along..

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Post by SuburbanFarmer » Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:20 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:Weird how we were doing that just fine before the government came along..
The world has changed a bit since then.
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Re: Another School Shooting (Wrong Narrative Though)

Post by Heraclius » Sat Mar 03, 2018 12:21 am

Quite the logical leap to compare the rhetorical capability of a leading national figure with a background in law with the average person today. Unless you think Lincoln was some average man? If you have some real data comparing the national population’s ability to comprehend the speech at the time, then we could start discussing a general loss of intellectual ability.

I don’t really understand your point about people being able to read or not read writing from the 19th century. I’d say the 18th and 19th century have some of the most difficult written pieces due to the Romantic style of prose. At least I’ve always had a significantly harder time reading sources from that period than say Cicero’s letters or the diaries of friars in the Middle Ages. Even the Founding Fathers have a propensity for taking a paragraph for what could be said in a sentence. It was just a different style of writing than what a lot of people are used to. Are you going to say the average 16th century London inhabitant going to the Globe Theater was significantly smarter than the average senior in high school today? Give a 16th century London inhabitant a part of the Domesday book to read and see how they fair.

If these Catholic schools were so dominant in education, then a bunch of Catholic schools should be dominating the list of feeder schools into our top universities. Turns out, the private schools that cost 50k a year, have a historical connection to a top school, and are able to cherrypick the students with the highest potential tend to be the ones that really dominate.

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Re: Another School Shooting (Wrong Narrative Though)

Post by BjornP » Sat Mar 03, 2018 2:06 am

Speaker to Animals wrote:

Weird how we managed to educate people for centuries before the government started mandate our kids go to their indoctrination centers. Including the poorest Catholic immigrants. Strange..
Might want to compare how many people out of the total population had access to education before compulsory education was introduced. Also:

https://ourworldindata.org/literacy#his ... erspective

So, when you say "centuries", plural...well:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_School_Laws
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Re: Another School Shooting (Wrong Narrative Though)

Post by Speaker to Animals » Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:38 am

BjornP wrote:
Speaker to Animals wrote:

Weird how we managed to educate people for centuries before the government started mandate our kids go to their indoctrination centers. Including the poorest Catholic immigrants. Strange..
Might want to compare how many people out of the total population had access to education before compulsory education was introduced. Also:

https://ourworldindata.org/literacy#his ... erspective

So, when you say "centuries", plural...well:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_School_Laws
They are graduating functionally illiterate students right now, Bjorn. It's WORSE.

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/sto ... =121374125

Government schools, especially in democratic party-controlled cities, are nothing more than jobs programs for public union workers. They don't actually teach much of anything.

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Re: Another School Shooting (Wrong Narrative Though)

Post by Speaker to Animals » Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:51 am

Detroit government schools were run by a functional illiterate.




It's not real education. It's just a public union scam.