THE ERA OF TRUMP

[brewster]

You do understand that scientific theories are not like your conspiracy theories don't you?
You have to show your workings and everything. You don't just get to make up a theory based on your current state of paranoia about the establishment.

I have a very good understanding of the Scientific Method, that is why I'm skeptical of AGW. That is why I also said I'm being generous calling AGW a theory, when it's likely just a hypothesis.


Where do you put AGW on the above flow chart ?

Where do you put evolution? It can't be "proven" either. Much of science isn't about conclusively proving, it's about asymptotically narrowing the possibilities with collection of evidence, there always being a portion of doubt. Believing otherwise and demanding '100% PROOF' is scientific illiteracy. Even in physics, Newton was "proved" only until Einstein, and he was "proved" only until Quantum Theory. And there's still shit we don't understand like dark matter. That doesn't mean that for driving your car Newton doesn't rule the road.

[The Conservative]

You do understand that scientific theories are not like your conspiracy theories don't you?
You have to show your workings and everything. You don't just get to make up a theory based on your current state of paranoia about the establishment.

I have a very good understanding of the Scientific Method, that is why I'm skeptical of AGW. That is why I also said I'm being generous calling AGW a theory, when it's likely just a hypothesis.


Where do you put AGW on the above flow chart ?

Where do you put evolution? It can't be "proven" either. Much of science isn't about conclusively proving, it's about asymptotically narrowing the possibilities with collection of evidence, there always being a portion of doubt. Believing otherwise and demanding '100% PROOF' is scientific illiteracy. Even in physics, Newton was "proved" only until Einstein, and he was "proved" only until Quantum Theory. And there's still shit we don't understand like dark matter. That doesn't mean that for driving your car Newton doesn't rule the road.

Evolution can't be proven? Seriously, Galapagos Islands ring any bells?

[Montegriffo]

Evolution moves at a pace too slow to definitively ''prove'' it.
What we have is overwhelming evidence that the theory is correct.
Much like with global warming although that is moving at a much greater speed and is easily observable.

[brewster]

Evolution can't be proven? Seriously, Galapagos Islands ring any bells?

Does this kind of rhetoric sound eerily familiar?

“Unfortunately many scientists and non-scientists have made Evolution into a religion, something to be defended against infidels. In my experience, many students of biology – professors and textbook writers included – have been so carried away with the arguments for Evolution that they neglect to question it. They preach it … College students, having gone through such a closed system of education, themselves become teachers, entering high schools to continue the process, using textbooks written by former classmates or professors. High standards of scholarship and teaching break down. Propaganda and the pursuit of power replace the pursuit knowledge. Education becomes a fraud.” (George Kocan, Evolution isn’t Faith But Theory, Chicago Tribune 9 Monday April 21 1980)

“The theory of Evolution … will be one of the great jokes in the history books of the future. Posterity will marvel that so flimsy and dubious an hypothesis could be accepted with the incredible credulity it has.” (Malcolm Muggeridge, well-known philosopher) “Scientists who go about teaching that Evolution is a fact of life are great con men, and the story they are telling may be the greatest hoax ever. In explaining Evolution we do not have one iota of fact.” (Dr T N Tahmisian, a former U.S. Atomic Energy Commission physiologist)

[SuburbanFarmer]

You do understand that scientific theories are not like your conspiracy theories don't you?
You have to show your workings and everything. You don't just get to make up a theory based on your current state of paranoia about the establishment.

I have a very good understanding of the Scientific Method, that is why I'm skeptical of AGW. That is why I also said I'm being generous calling AGW a theory, when it's likely just a hypothesis.


Where do you put AGW on the above flow chart ?

Chart is false. Scientific theory does not become Fact, until proven. Essentially, all other possibilities have to be eliminated. That's why Evolution and Gravity are still Theories.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Evolution moves at a pace too slow to definitively ''prove'' it.
What we have is overwhelming evidence that the theory is correct.
Much like with global warming although that is moving at a much greater speed and is easily observable.

Evolution will not be Proven until we have an observable species creation.

[C-Mag]

Where do you put evolution? It can't be "proven" either. Much of science isn't about conclusively proving, it's about asymptotically narrowing the possibilities with collection of evidence, there always being a portion of doubt. Believing otherwise and demanding '100% PROOF' is scientific illiteracy. Even in physics, Newton was "proved" only until Einstein, and he was "proved" only until Quantum Theory. And there's still shit we don't understand like dark matter. That doesn't mean that for driving your car Newton doesn't rule the road.

I appreciate your response. I'm not getting into evolution at this point, but I get why you are using it.

What is presented to us is that AGW is a proven fact, 'The Science is Settled'. Which is propaganda, not science.

[Speaker to Animals]

Evolution is proven.

Next point.

[brewster]

Where do you put evolution? It can't be "proven" either. Much of science isn't about conclusively proving, it's about asymptotically narrowing the possibilities with collection of evidence, there always being a portion of doubt. Believing otherwise and demanding '100% PROOF' is scientific illiteracy. Even in physics, Newton was "proved" only until Einstein, and he was "proved" only until Quantum Theory. And there's still shit we don't understand like dark matter. That doesn't mean that for driving your car Newton doesn't rule the road.

I appreciate your response. I'm not getting into evolution at this point, but I get why you are using it.

What is presented to us is that AGW is a proven fact, 'The Science is Settled'. Which is propaganda, not science.

You see you put the AGW proponents in a can't win. If they say there's doubt because in science there always is, opponents crow "they can't PROVE it!!". If they say it's proven you respond as above. See my quotes above from anti-evolutionists to see the exact same arguments being made. Check out this page https://www.rae.org/essay-links/quotes/ on a serious anti-ev website. BTW these exact same arguments, some by the exact same people, were used by the tobacco industry to refute that their product was harmful.

[C-Mag]

You see you put the AGW proponents in a can't win. If they say there's doubt because in science there always is, opponents crow "they can't PROVE it!!". If they say it's proven you respond as above. See my quotes above from anti-evolutionists to see the exact same arguments being made. Check out this page https://www.rae.org/essay-links/quotes/ on a serious anti-ev website. BTW these exact same arguments, some by the exact same people, were used by the tobacco industry to refute that their product was harmful.

From my perspective I didn't put them in any position. I'm just looking at the available evidence and my own observations and pointing out that AGW is not settled. I've got as much evidence that Trump is a very stable genius.