The Era of Biden

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

How does leaving Afghanistan to the Taliban hurt China or strike a blow against big pharma?

Shut Up and get your jab booster shots

Shit, bruh - out hear in California we're gonna be so jammed full of needles we're gonna look like damn Cenobites by the time they are done with us.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Jesus Fucking Christ. At least StA had mental issues as an excuse, which leads to confirm my suspicions about you. (Just talking here, trying to figure out what we're dealing with?)

My prediction is that there will be negative consequences to this withdraw. If nothing else, we already agree that it is embarrassing - and I expect embarrassing failures will have bad downstream effects.

Everyone else here seems to disagree - but everyone here seems to be basing foreign policy decisions on what will irritate the Woke domestically.

Time will tell.

Damn, dude, you’re a gaslighting factory.

You argued that the Taliban taking over wasn't a problem because the contractors in Afghanistan were Woke. Capps made much the same argument. It is in the thread for any to see.

I'm not gaslighting. That is a bad argument that I have represented faithfully.

[StCapps]

My prediction is that there will be negative consequences to this withdraw. If nothing else, we already agree that it is embarrassing - and I expect embarrassing failures will have bad downstream effects.

Everyone else here seems to disagree - but everyone here seems to be basing foreign policy decisions on what will irritate the Woke domestically.

Time will tell.

Damn, dude, you’re a gaslighting factory.

You argued that the Taliban taking over wasn't a problem because the contractors in Afghanistan were Woke. Capps made much the same argument. It is in the thread for any to see.

I'm not gaslighting. That is a bad argument that I have represented faithfully.

my argument was that the Taliban taking over is better than the alternatives

you are gaslighting and strawmanning

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Jesus Fucking Christ. At least StA had mental issues as an excuse, which leads to confirm my suspicions about you. (Just talking here, trying to figure out what we're dealing with?)

My prediction is that there will be negative consequences to this withdraw. If nothing else, we already agree that it is embarrassing - and I expect embarrassing failures will have bad downstream effects.

Everyone else here seems to disagree - but everyone here seems to be basing foreign policy decisions on what will irritate the Woke domestically.

Time will tell.

wrong

of course there will be negative consequences to the withdrawal

the negative consequences of not withdrawing, are simply much bigger

obvious better choice is obvious

nice motte and bailey

but the motte you retreated to is still not a defensible position

What is the negative consequence of not withdrawing?

The fractional cost of maintaining logistical support troops and defending an airbase?

No, Capps. You are simply wrong. That consequence is negligible.

[Smitty-48]

Vietnam was already the Communists Vietnam.

China benefits whenever America looks weak, loses allies, and loses influence.

America is weak, there's no way to solve that problem in Afghanistan tho

Sorry, I missed this response.

If America is that weak globally and Pax-Americana is already over, then you are right - being in Afghanistan is not likely to change that.

Unfortunately, I don't know how to prove that one way or the other without the benefit of at least another generation of hindsight.

I look to a more relevant Pax Americana

Shining City on a Hill, just let them come to us

not by third world immigrants spilling over an open border

by the Declaration of Independence preamble

inalienable rights endowed by the Creator

the shot heard round the world

[StCapps]

My prediction is that there will be negative consequences to this withdraw. If nothing else, we already agree that it is embarrassing - and I expect embarrassing failures will have bad downstream effects.

Everyone else here seems to disagree - but everyone here seems to be basing foreign policy decisions on what will irritate the Woke domestically.

Time will tell.

wrong

of course there will be negative consequences to the withdrawal

the negative consequences of not withdrawing, are simply much bigger

obvious better choice is obvious

nice motte and bailey

but the motte you retreated to is still not a defensible position

What is the negative consequence of not withdrawing?

The fractional cost of maintaining logistical support troops and defending an airbase?

No, Capps. You are simply wrong. That consequence is negligible.

the consequences of the Taliban taking over are even more negligible and it draws China into a trap

you are simply wrong

staying is of no utility, leaving has utility

both have downsides, staying more than leaving

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Damn, dude, you’re a gaslighting factory.

You argued that the Taliban taking over wasn't a problem because the contractors in Afghanistan were Woke. Capps made much the same argument. It is in the thread for any to see.

I'm not gaslighting. That is a bad argument that I have represented faithfully.

my argument was that the Taliban taking over is better than the alternatives

you are gaslighting and strawmanning

No.

You are retreating from you idiotic positions to a nebulous counterfactual claim about the negative consequences of maintaining a small force in Afghanistan.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

wrong

of course there will be negative consequences to the withdrawal

the negative consequences of not withdrawing, are simply much bigger

obvious better choice is obvious

nice motte and bailey

but the motte you retreated to is still not a defensible position

What is the negative consequence of not withdrawing?

The fractional cost of maintaining logistical support troops and defending an airbase?

No, Capps. You are simply wrong. That consequence is negligible.

the consequences of the Taliban taking over are even more negligible and it draws China into a trap

you are simply wrong

So you've said.

Time will tell.

[StCapps]

You argued that the Taliban taking over wasn't a problem because the contractors in Afghanistan were Woke. Capps made much the same argument. It is in the thread for any to see.

I'm not gaslighting. That is a bad argument that I have represented faithfully.

my argument was that the Taliban taking over is better than the alternatives

you are gaslighting and strawmanning

No.

You are retreating from you idiotic positions to a nebulous counterfactual claim about the negative consequences of maintaining a small force in Afghanistan.

you are the one backpedalling and moving goal posts, Captain Projection

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

my argument was that the Taliban taking over is better than the alternatives

you are gaslighting and strawmanning

No.

You are retreating from you idiotic positions to a nebulous counterfactual claim about the negative consequences of maintaining a small force in Afghanistan.

you are the one backpedalling and moving goal posts, Captain Projection

My initial position was that it wasn't a mistake to invade Afghanistan, and that we were able to maintain control with less than 10 thousand troops, and that was a worthwhile investment.

Where have I back-peddled from that?