DACA

[The Conservative]

DB and Hastur voice my opinions well so little to add except a brief glance at the other hand.

It is one thing to talk about deporting kids on the internet, quite another to round 'em up with federales and drop 'em on the other side of the border. What does that process look like? Do we just leave 'em at a bus stop or something, with no loot? I am uninformed.

The real blame here is longstanding shitty federal governance. At first the illegality is ignored, tacitly endorsed, then approved through weak, improper executive order, then rescinded. It would be hard to conceive more retarded governance.

If the process used for deporting other illegals were followed, they would be flown at taxpayer expense back to their country of origin.

Well then as long as their is free peanuts on the flight I guess we're good to go

Fuck that, free parachutes... who said that bitch is landing?

[MilSpecs]

Not to mention - going from a nation where the average income is $3769 to a one where the average income is $843 a month. Being extremely fluent in two languages. Having personal, family, and business contacts in two neighboring nations.

It's almost like we're creating an army of Hernán Cortés' and sending them back into Aztlán. Think of the good they could do for their birth nation. Think of the advantages and experiences they could bring back with them.

That's what's so sad about this situation. They're not from the same social class as similarly educated Mexicans and they don't have the social ties necessary to succeed in Mexico. Class is everything in Latin America. They're going to be in the same situation as if someone dropped our kids in the worst neighborhood in Detroit, prevented them from leaving and told them 'hey, you're educated and you speak English - you'll do just fine.' They're not going to do just fine. Some will not even survive.

We need much stronger controls on immigration and I'm not opposed to deportation per se, but rounding up kids who are American in everything but paperwork and tossing them out to drown is beneath our dignity as a nation.

[DBTrek]

We need much stronger controls on immigration and I'm not opposed to deportation per se, but rounding up kids who are American in everything but paperwork and tossing them out to drown is beneath our dignity as a nation.

Beneath our dignity as a nation?
What nation?

You apparently believe we're simply a landmass to accessed by whomever, whenever.
Actual nations have borders.
Actual nations have citizens.
You don't believe in either of these things, so how you can comment on our "national dignity" remains a mystery.

(There it is folks, all DACA kids are orphans, and removing them from the US would instantly result in them "drowning" to death. Jesus.)

[apeman]

Not to mention - going from a nation where the average income is $3769 to a one where the average income is $843 a month. Being extremely fluent in two languages. Having personal, family, and business contacts in two neighboring nations.

It's almost like we're creating an army of Hernán Cortés' and sending them back into Aztlán. Think of the good they could do for their birth nation. Think of the advantages and experiences they could bring back with them.

That's what's so sad about this situation. They're not from the same social class as similarly educated Mexicans and they don't have the social ties necessary to succeed in Mexico. Class is everything in Latin America. They're going to be in the same situation as if someone dropped our kids in the worst neighborhood in Detroit, prevented them from leaving and told them 'hey, you're educated and you speak English - you'll do just fine.' They're not going to do just fine. Some will not even survive.

We need much stronger controls on immigration and I'm not opposed to deportation per se, but rounding up kids who are American in everything but paperwork and tossing them out to drown is beneath our dignity as a nation.

We have DB's view on how the kids will fair in Mex, which for all I know is accurate.

We have MilSpecs view on how the kids will fair in Mex, which for all I know is accurate.

The legal- and -governance-based arguments seem clear to me, its the actual, pragmatic, on-the-ground part that gives me pause.

We need to solve this border nonsense under this president or it is never getting done, and it is a disgrace. this is what lack of respect for basic laws leads to, rounding up kids with federales and sending to where they might have no connections.

[MilSpecs]

We screwed up on protecting our borders so kids who were allowed to grow up here have to suffer? Some of those kids didn't even know they weren't born here. It's cruel and beneath our dignity. I don't expect other people to pay for my mistakes. We need to take responsibility for our past actions regarding these kids. And for once trump is right- congress needs to do their job, fix the unfettered immigration problem, give kids who grew up here a fast track to citizenship, and be done with it.

[The Conservative]

We screwed up on protecting our borders so kids who were allowed to grow up here have to suffer? Some of those kids didn't even know they weren't born here. It's cruel and beneath our dignity. I don't expect other people to pay for my mistakes. We need to take responsibility for our past actions regarding these kids. And for once trump is right- congress needs to do their job, fix the unfettered immigration problem, give kids who grew up here a fast track to citizenship, and be done with it.

Kids that are born here aren't the issue, it is the kids that were dragged across the border with their parents are the issue.

Of course, I find this ironic... we are told the kids aren't at fault for the errors of their parents, but I'm held accountable for racism for what my great, great, (great?) grandfather did... seriously?

[TheReal_ND]

If anybody thinks this isn't going to end in amnesty while republicans pass "comprehensive immigration reform," then just wait a few months.

[DBTrek]

Pretty easy to evaluate MilSpecs feelers on this one:

That's what's so sad about this situation. They're not from the same social class as similarly educated Mexicans and they don't have the social ties necessary to succeed in Mexico. Class is everything in Latin America. They're going to be in the same situation as if someone dropped our kids in the worst neighborhood in Detroit, prevented them from leaving and told them 'hey, you're educated and you speak English - you'll do just fine.' They're not going to do just fine. Some will not even survive.

We need much stronger controls on immigration and I'm not opposed to deportation per se, but rounding up kids who are American in everything but paperwork and tossing them out to drown is beneath our dignity as a nation.

• 1. Putting bilingual, first world, literate, educated, tech savvy, DACA citizens in Mexico is like dropping "our kids" in the worst neighborhood in Detroit.
  
  2. Clearly the kids will die.

That's the argument.

Damn . . . if only those DACA kids had parents, or relatives, or something. If only they had some sort of connection to their homeland, like through vast familial ties. But no - it's pretty much like grabbing any of our children and dropping them in the worst neighborhood in Detroit (even though none of us were born in Detroit, nor have family there). And as everyone knows, Detroit is a dead zone. No one lives there. Anyone who is sent there is pretty much dead within a week, right?

Hysteria.
That's what's being peddled by the left, as usual.
They're going to steer as far away from facts as possible, and always bring the conversation directly to how opposing their chicanery is tantamount to murder. I mean, do they ever argue anything different?

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Not to mention - going from a nation where the average income is $3769 to a one where the average income is $843 a month. Being extremely fluent in two languages. Having personal, family, and business contacts in two neighboring nations.

It's almost like we're creating an army of Hernán Cortés' and sending them back into Aztlán. Think of the good they could do for their birth nation. Think of the advantages and experiences they could bring back with them.

Or, as AP said, think of the ease with which they could gain US citizenship should they decide to pursue that.

People act like sending a Mexican back to Mexico (or a Haitian to Haiti, or an Irishman to Ireland) is akin to locking them in a cage with starved wolves. It's ridiculous. The entire political left is built upon loathing all things America and American (or as they disparagingly call it, 'MURICA), but as soon as some foreigner *might* get deported suddenly America is the lone safe haven amidst a sea of death. These panic-mongerers can't even keep their own narrative straight.

Must be why history's forced re-locations are viewed so favorably. Ingrates ought to be lining up for their free tickets.

[Speaker to Animals]

Not to mention - going from a nation where the average income is $3769 to a one where the average income is $843 a month. Being extremely fluent in two languages. Having personal, family, and business contacts in two neighboring nations.

It's almost like we're creating an army of Hernán Cortés' and sending them back into Aztlán. Think of the good they could do for their birth nation. Think of the advantages and experiences they could bring back with them.

Or, as AP said, think of the ease with which they could gain US citizenship should they decide to pursue that.

People act like sending a Mexican back to Mexico (or a Haitian to Haiti, or an Irishman to Ireland) is akin to locking them in a cage with starved wolves. It's ridiculous. The entire political left is built upon loathing all things America and American (or as they disparagingly call it, 'MURICA), but as soon as some foreigner *might* get deported suddenly America is the lone safe haven amidst a sea of death. These panic-mongerers can't even keep their own narrative straight.

Must be why history's forced re-locations are viewed so favorably. Ingrates ought to be lining up for their free tickets.

At what point will you finally admit that these are criminals stealing from the American people?