F*** WORK

[Speaker to Animals]

. Somebody is out of a job for every immigrant who comes here who works, and our welfare system is strained by every immigrant who comes here and starts collecting gibs.

Still holding out for that tomato-picking gig? Any American could have "a job", but that's not what you're really talking about, is it?

We can agree that H1-B is a fucking scam, but we also can't deny that 50% of our PhD scientists are immigrants. We need immigrants for innovation, because Americans simply can't or won't do what it takes to compete.

Would you rather pay a guy welfare taken from your own paycheck than him getting a decent-paying job picking tomatoes? It's really strange that your priorities are this jacked up.

[KerningChameleon]

. Somebody is out of a job for every immigrant who comes here who works, and our welfare system is strained by every immigrant who comes here and starts collecting gibs.

Still holding out for that tomato-picking gig? Any American could have "a job", but that's not what you're really talking about, is it?

We can agree that H1-B is a fucking scam, but we also can't deny that 50% of our PhD scientists are immigrants. We need immigrants for innovation, because Americans simply can't or won't do what it takes to compete.

Would you rather pay a guy welfare taken from your own paycheck than him getting a decent-paying job picking tomatoes? It's really strange that your priorities are this jacked up.

I mean, this presupposes I still have a job. If I don't, I suddenly don't care about the income tax other people pay and suddenly care very much about the welfare I receive until I can (if I can) obtain a new paying job. In which case, I suddenly might decide to take this fellow unemployed gentleman's side.

[SuburbanFarmer]

. Somebody is out of a job for every immigrant who comes here who works, and our welfare system is strained by every immigrant who comes here and starts collecting gibs.

Still holding out for that tomato-picking gig? Any American could have "a job", but that's not what you're really talking about, is it?

We can agree that H1-B is a fucking scam, but we also can't deny that 50% of our PhD scientists are immigrants. We need immigrants for innovation, because Americans simply can't or won't do what it takes to compete.

Would you rather pay a guy welfare taken from your own paycheck than him getting a decent-paying job picking tomatoes? It's really strange that your priorities are this jacked up.

He's going to get more from welfare than he would for picking tomatoes. Not an issue.

Our economy is so distorted that we can't even survive on what would be a normal working wage in the rest of the world. That is why we need immigrants, and that is why Americans aren't out picking tomatoes.

I still have yet to see how an illegal immigrant can collect welfare, but I oppose that thing happening.

[BjornP]

Our economy is so distorted that we can't even survive on what would be a normal working wage in the rest of the world. That is why we need immigrants, and that is why Americans aren't out picking tomatoes.

Sounds like you are saying that the reason you need immigrants, is that they are more willing to let themselves get exploited. Is that also the way it should be, in your own opinion?

[SuburbanFarmer]

Our economy is so distorted that we can't even survive on what would be a normal working wage in the rest of the world. That is why we need immigrants, and that is why Americans aren't out picking tomatoes.

Sounds like you are saying that the reason you need immigrants, is that they are more willing to let themselves get exploited. Is that also the way it should be, in your own opinion?

Well, kind of. They aren't really being 'exploited', because their sub-par American wage is several times what they could make at home for the same work (if there were any work there at all).

That is most definitely not how I think it 'should' be, but it is how it is. We have priced manual labor straight out of the market, with our infinite growth paradigm. Farmers can't afford to pay a living wage, but the government subsidy matrix keeps them gigantic and barely-profitable.

It's a clusterfuck with no clear answers.

[Speaker to Animals]

Fuck you guys. I think enough people are catching on to this racket that you will hopefully get gassed in due time.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Fuck you guys. I think enough people are catching on to this racket that you will hopefully get gassed in due time.

Who is stopping, or even trying to stop Euros/Americans from having kids? How are they doing it?

If you say the word "abortion", I'll stop listening.

[Speaker to Animals]

Fuck you guys. I think enough people are catching on to this racket that you will hopefully get gassed in due time.

Who is stopping, or even trying to stop Euros/Americans from having kids? How are they doing it?

If you say the word "abortion", I'll stop listening.

Uh.. the governments of our nations who have for generations deliberately pursued policies that make it difficult for us to have children?

The average American, in order to get into the middle class, graduates from college in massive debt that will take at least ten years if not more to pay off. Banks and government colluded to flood the credit markets so that prices for houses are so high, everybody needs to borrow now, at interest. They then proceeded to collude with insurers and health care providers to make health care so expensive that that families in some markets are paying as much as 25% of their household income just to keep their children alive and healthy.

Then they refused to enforce what shit immigration laws we even had in the first place after the 1960s. So Pedro comes over here illegally with his wife and four kids, works under the table, and then gets all the welfare gibs because -- surprise -- he has "no income". His kids get free healthcare and education and even scholarships to college that we don't get. The government has deliberately pursued policies that reward immigrants for having children on the dime of the Americans who can no longer afford to do so.

The American worker had to pay for all of this while Pedro paid jack shit. The American worker's kid has to go into massive student loan debt to go to college and remain in the middle class. Pedro's kids get free tuition and scholarships. The American worker's kid has to compete for jobs in which Pedro's kids get bonus hiring points because of their race.

Fuck you all. I hope you all get gassed for supporting this.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Fuck you guys. I think enough people are catching on to this racket that you will hopefully get gassed in due time.

Who is stopping, or even trying to stop Euros/Americans from having kids? How are they doing it?

If you say the word "abortion", I'll stop listening.

Uh.. the governments of our nations who have for generations deliberately pursued policies that make it difficult for us to have children?

The average American, in order to get into the middle class, graduates from college in massive debt that will take at least ten years if not more to pay off. Banks and government colluded to flood the credit markets so that prices for houses are so high, everybody needs to borrow now, at interest. They then proceeded to collude with insurers and health care providers to make health care so expensive that that families in some markets are paying as much as 25% of their household income just to keep their children alive and healthy.

Then they refused to enforce what shit immigration laws we even had in the first place after the 1960s. So Pedro comes over here illegally with his wife and four kids, works under the table, and then gets all the welfare gibs because -- surprise -- he has "no income". His kids get free healthcare and education and even scholarships to college that we don't get. The government has deliberately pursued policies that reward immigrants for having children on the dime of the Americans who can no longer afford to do so.

The American worker had to pay for all of this while Pedro paid jack shit. The American worker's kid has to go into massive student loan debt to go to college and remain in the middle class. Pedro's kids get free tuition and scholarships. The American worker's kid has to compete for jobs in which Pedro's kids get bonus hiring points because of their race.

Fuck you all. I hope you all get gassed for supporting this.

1: Tuition is too fucking high - Agree
2: Banks and Government colluded to flood credit markets - Agree
3: Insurers and Government colluded to make healthcare expensive - Ok.. I'll go with it. I think it's more gross incompetence, but ok.
4: Refused to enforce immigration laws - Getting a little squirrely, but I'm with you Ghost Rider
5: Pedro gets all the welfare gibs - I've asked about 2 dozen times here for how this would work, and got nothing other than "emergency rooms"
6: American worker pays for "all of this" - See Above
7: Pedro gets free tuition and scholarships - Stop. Where are you going?
8: Hiring points for Pedro's kid - Ok, I agree that quotas are bullshit.
9: Get gassed - Go fuck yourself, I didn't build this. Talk to your parents about why they built it.

[The Conservative]

Can we at least agree that if a person is not a US citizen, then their visa should not be renewed, and if they don't even have a visa, then they need to get the fuck back to their home countries??

I don't think a reasonable person can deny that we have no economic capacity for more people. There are not enough jobs and our welfare systems are going to become unsustainable.

Of course. But, as you see above, it doesn't make much sense to rip families apart either.

It doesn't make much sense to let people abuse our nation and charity by gaming us like that either.

What do you think happens if you go to Mexico, marry some Mexican chick, and then demand to be treated like a Mexican citizen? If you went their illegally, they will house you in a Mexican prison until the consulate comes and takes you -- in chains -- back to the United States.

I am not asking for anything that these countries don't already do themselves. Countries like Mexico are totally gaming our people with this bullshit. It's a huge racket.

Most shoot on sight, there are no chains... just a coffin, if they don't leave you there in the first place.