Millennials aren't ready for the 'reality of life'

[BjornP]

To do those things (which are decent examples of assignments but those activities will not lead to success in an of themselves) you have to have a basic solid foundational level of the subject to begin with. Students need to be able to read, write, and research. They cannot. They cannot b/c they do not want to and/or they do not have the discipline or the desire to. These things come from the parents. There are multiple reasons for the failure of American education. One of the primary ones being outlined above.

Well, that depends on your parameter for success. In the field of history, knowing how to read, analyze and compare primary and secondary sources IS the foundational level of history as a professional field.

Of course, I didn't learn about source criticism and historical method in elementary school. That was mostly the old rote memorization thing. But in what roughly corresponds to American high school, we'd be introduced to the concepts. Today, with the internet age, all schools in Denmark have put source criticism (in the general sense, not just historical) on the curriculum.

I'm not American, so I can't really speak to the current level of quality of education in the US, at least not on any particularly informed level. Practically all of my impressions come from what people here on the MHF, and earlier on the DCF, would sometimes write abut the subject. General impression hasn't been very positive. I just remembered this study from a book I read years back.

[Okeefenokee]

Pretty fucking sad that we'd have to 'assign' this as an activity, tbh.

Hardly have to assign it, they never shut up about it. My father tells me how cars back then were just amazing, so much better than cars today. I have to show him that he's demonstrably wrong, cars today are built better, better gas mileage, and safer.

More to the op, there is no substitute to a classical education. Philosophy really should be taught at an earlier age.

Yeah, but how many times has an average American sat down with a grand, or even great-grand parent, and learned about how it really felt 'back in the day'?

Your dad (and mine) might occasionally bitch about new things, or offer a quip about the past, but to get deeper, you really have to spend time to mine that gold.

They talk about it with the nurses at the nursing home.

[Zero]

To do those things (which are decent examples of assignments but those activities will not lead to success in an of themselves) you have to have a basic solid foundational level of the subject to begin with. Students need to be able to read, write, and research. They cannot. They cannot b/c they do not want to and/or they do not have the discipline or the desire to. These things come from the parents. There are multiple reasons for the failure of American education. One of the primary ones being outlined above.

Well, that depends on your parameter for success. In the field of history, knowing how to read, analyze and compare primary and secondary sources IS the foundational level of history as a professional field.

Of course, I didn't learn about source criticism and historical method in elementary school. That was mostly the old rote memorization thing. But in what roughly corresponds to American high school, we'd be introduced to the concepts. Today, with the internet age, all schools in Denmark have put source criticism (in the general sense, not just historical) on the curriculum.

I'm not American, so I can't really speak to the current level of quality of education in the US, at least not on any particularly informed level. Practically all of my impressions come from what people here on the MHF, and earlier on the DCF, would sometimes write abut the subject. General impression hasn't been very positive. I just remembered this study from a book I read years back.

I’m curious, what are your thoughts on the system in Denmark? Does it correspond to all the positives we hear about the Scandinavian model here? I mean, the way it’s presented to us, y’all are living in an education utopia.

[Zlaxer]

To do those things (which are decent examples of assignments but those activities will not lead to success in an of themselves) you have to have a basic solid foundational level of the subject to begin with. Students need to be able to read, write, and research. They cannot. They cannot b/c they do not want to and/or they do not have the discipline or the desire to. These things come from the parents. There are multiple reasons for the failure of American education. One of the primary ones being outlined above.

Well, that depends on your parameter for success. In the field of history, knowing how to read, analyze and compare primary and secondary sources IS the foundational level of history as a professional field.

Of course, I didn't learn about source criticism and historical method in elementary school. That was mostly the old rote memorization thing. But in what roughly corresponds to American high school, we'd be introduced to the concepts. Today, with the internet age, all schools in Denmark have put source criticism (in the general sense, not just historical) on the curriculum.

I'm not American, so I can't really speak to the current level of quality of education in the US, at least not on any particularly informed level. Practically all of my impressions come from what people here on the MHF, and earlier on the DCF, would sometimes write abut the subject. General impression hasn't been very positive. I just remembered this study from a book I read years back.

Quality of public education really depends on where one lives in the us....inner city schools are quazi prisons......too many kids with "parents" who dont give a rats ass about them, with the school districts paralyzed from expelling them...so the whole system collapses into a state run daycare.....in certain suburbs, it gets better...parents tend to be more involved....

[Heraclius]

To do those things (which are decent examples of assignments but those activities will not lead to success in an of themselves) you have to have a basic solid foundational level of the subject to begin with. Students need to be able to read, write, and research. They cannot. They cannot b/c they do not want to and/or they do not have the discipline or the desire to. These things come from the parents. There are multiple reasons for the failure of American education. One of the primary ones being outlined above.

Well, that depends on your parameter for success. In the field of history, knowing how to read, analyze and compare primary and secondary sources IS the foundational level of history as a professional field.

Of course, I didn't learn about source criticism and historical method in elementary school. That was mostly the old rote memorization thing. But in what roughly corresponds to American high school, we'd be introduced to the concepts. Today, with the internet age, all schools in Denmark have put source criticism (in the general sense, not just historical) on the curriculum.

I'm not American, so I can't really speak to the current level of quality of education in the US, at least not on any particularly informed level. Practically all of my impressions come from what people here on the MHF, and earlier on the DCF, would sometimes write abut the subject. General impression hasn't been very positive. I just remembered this study from a book I read years back.

High Schools tend to have a divide between the “Advanced Placement” kids and the rest. Analyzing primary sources in AP History courses is a requirement to ever score well considering all exams typically have a document-based question where you look at around 11 documents and use them to create a thesis.

You do a similar thing in AP English where you analyze the rhetorical devices and structure of famous excerpts of books or speeches in order to identify why they were effective. One of my favorite speeches we analysed was the call for a Crusade made by Pope Urban II.

The classes that aren’t AP tend to be a lot less intensive and critical thinking based. They follow the formula of memorizing dates in history classes and focus on knowing history rather than interpreting history. Part of the problem might be that there is no real national deadline to meet for other classes like in AP courses. Teachers have to finish a curriculum in time for the AP exams in May unless they want pissed off students upset at wasting $80 to take an exam they were never prepared for.

[jediuser598]

[Speaker to Animals]

She's right, though.

[Ph64]

She's right, though.

Perhaps if she hadn't listened to whoever told her a degree in Women's Studies with a minor in Underwater Basket Weaving she'd be doing better.

Not all degrees are worthwhile to take loans out for.

[Ex-California]

She's right, though.

Perhaps if she hadn't listened to whoever told her a degree in Women's Studies with a minor in Underwater Basket Weaving she'd be doing better.

Not all degrees are worthwhile to take loans out for.

Most aren't

Most people would do better long-term with a trade

[jediuser598]

She's right, though.

Perhaps if she hadn't listened to whoever told her a degree in Women's Studies with a minor in Underwater Basket Weaving she'd be doing better.

Not all degrees are worthwhile to take loans out for.

Most aren't

Most people would do better long-term with a trade

Why is something like Journalism not thought of as a trade?

You could also be an artist as a trade. Create and put out art into the marketplace. A lot of these degrees could be taught as trades. There is a craft to these things.