The current crop of left wing debaters is weak

[Fife]

Ah. I see the dilemma here. He believes, as Dan did, that owning firearms is pointless now for many reasons and one of them being insurgency is impossible now. To which I would point him at Afghanistan and ask him what would happen in White Afghanistan (the Appalachias,) if there ever were a full borne insurgency. All those UAV drones and satellites haven't won a single war yet anyway.

If (if) that's the "argument" of the moment, it's the dumbest one yet.

And yes, it's even dumber when Carlin makes it. His dumb ass is at least supposed to be somewhat literate about popular resistance to the state.

[TheReal_ND]

It was originally a confederate nation when our rights were granted anyway. Who said we want your stupid union? Keep it and your filthy refugees lol

[SuburbanFarmer]

Ah. I see the dilemma here. He believes, as Dan did, that owning firearms is pointless now for many reasons and one of them being insurgency is impossible now. To which I would point him at Afghanistan and ask him what would happen in White Afghanistan (the Appalachias,) if there ever were a full borne insurgency. All those UAV drones and satellites haven't won a single war yet anyway.

If (if) that's the "argument" of the moment, it's the dumbest one yet.

And yes, it's even dumber when Carlin makes it. His dumb ass is at least supposed to be somewhat literate about popular resistance to the state.

Resist all you want. It's pointless without weaponry that can counter that of the state. Go down in a hail of suicide shootings and be a martyr for nothing.

[TheReal_ND]

With GCF as Sherman we would have won the fucking war damnit

[SuburbanFarmer]

How is the political system bitched by gun ownership?

Ownership itself - not at all. Endless bickering and political nonsense over background checks or regulation - completely.

What other issues cannot be worked on because of it?

Mainly those of background checks, registry of arms, regulation of the gun shows.... ya know. Things that are expected of nearly every other market for dangerous items.

[Fife]

Fuck prior restraint, and fuck you, loser. Move to Cuba.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Fuck prior restraint, and fuck you, loser. Move to Cuba.

I'll get on that.

Got your tickets to Liberia all ready?

[katarn]

Fuck prior restraint, and fuck you, loser. Move to Cuba.

I'll get on that.

Got your tickets to Liberia all ready?

[Smitty-48]

What real difference would infringing on the right actually make in a practical sense? You don't have a right to a gun in Canada, but there's still 10,000,000 guns here, and really not much stopping you from getting one, about the same as it would be in New York or Massachussets. Per capita, the difference would be that there were 90,000,000 million guns in the USA instead of 270,000,000, surely 90,000,000 would be too many for the gun grabbers as well?

The reason why these gun grabbers should be tarred and feathered, is that their feelz based ideology would infringe on the right, without making any practical difference in terms of restricting gunplay.

[Fife]

The difference is real, old bean.

No prior restraint, Smits. Not for any of the stuff in the BOR, or for lots of other rights, either.

It leads nowhere good, so it's not something to even entertain any compromise about.

No quarter for free speech zones.

No quarter for abuse of personal security.

No quarter for quartering. See what I did there?