Meanwhile in Iraq & Syria

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Re: Meanwhile in Iraq & Syria

Post by TheReal_ND » Thu Apr 13, 2017 10:29 am

Developments April 12
>Russia to veto UN Security Council resolution on Syrian chemical weapons attack
>MIT professor:White House claims on Syria chemical attack obviously false
>Putin meets Tillerson in Moscow
>EVACUATION AGREEMENTS TAKING PLACE IN IDLIB AND RIF DIMASHQ PROVINCES
>S Palmyra: SAA liberates new hilltops, overall 230+ square miles of territory liberated
>Jihadist release kidnapped women, children in exchange for their militants
>Trump asserts US will not invade Syria
>US-LED COALITION ONCE AGAIN BOMBS IRAQI FORCES IN MOSUL
>N hama: SAA storm base S of Suran
>NW Aleppo: SAA,Liwaa Al-Quds target the territory around Anadan Plain
>Putin:Idlib ‘chemical attack’ was false flag to set Assad up, more to happen

Statement on MOAB used in Afghanistan.
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Russians made similar bomb apparently 4x as srong and named it "Father of all Bombs"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GBU-43/B_ ... _Air_Blast

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Re: Meanwhile in Iraq & Syria

Post by adwinistrator » Thu Apr 13, 2017 11:10 am

Martin Hash wrote:Wait, didn't I just see a NYT link of Friedman saying the U.S. should join forces with ISIS!? WTF is anyone talking about anything else? That's fuckin' Yuge!
I don't understand why people still pay Friedman to write down his thoughts...
The Trump foreign policy team has been all over the map on what to do next in Syria — topple the regime, intensify aid to rebels, respond to any new attacks on innocent civilians. But when pressed, there is one idea everyone on the team seems to agree on: “The defeat of ISIS,” as Secretary of State Rex Tillerson put it.

Well, let me add to their confusion by asking just one question: Why?

Why should our goal right now be to defeat the Islamic State in Syria? Of course, ISIS is detestable and needs to be eradicated. But is it really in our interest to be focusing solely on defeating ISIS in Syria right now?

Let’s go through the logic: There are actually two ISIS manifestations.

One is “virtual ISIS.” It is satanic, cruel and amorphous; it disseminates its ideology through the internet. It has adherents across Europe and the Muslim world. In my opinion, that ISIS is the primary threat to us, because it has found ways to deftly pump out Sunni jihadist ideology that inspires and gives permission to those Muslims on the fringes of society who feel humiliated — from London to Paris to Cairo — to recover their dignity via headline-grabbing murders of innocents.

The other incarnation is “territorial ISIS.” It still controls pockets in western Iraq and larger sectors of Syria. Its goal is to defeat Bashar al-Assad’s regime in Syria — plus its Russian, Iranian and Hezbollah allies — and to defeat the pro-Iranian Shiite regime in Iraq, replacing both with a caliphate.

Challenge No. 1: Not only will virtual ISIS, which has nodes all over the world, not go away even if territorial ISIS is defeated, I believe virtual ISIS will become yet more virulent to disguise the fact that it has lost the territorial caliphate to its archenemies: Shiite Iran, Hezbollah, pro-Shiite militias in Iraq, the pro-Shiite Assad regime in Damascus and Russia, not to mention America.

Challenge No. 2: America’s goal in Syria is to create enough pressure on Assad, Russia, Iran and Hezbollah so they will negotiate a power-sharing accord with moderate Sunni Muslims that would also ease Assad out of power. One way to do that would be for NATO to create a no-fly safe zone around Idlib Province, where many of the anti-Assad rebels have gathered and where Assad recently dropped his poison gas on civilians. But Congress and the U.S. public are clearly wary of that.

So what else could we do? We could dramatically increase our military aid to anti-Assad rebels, giving them sufficient anti-tank and antiaircraft missiles to threaten Russian, Iranian, Hezbollah and Syrian helicopters and fighter jets and make them bleed, maybe enough to want to open negotiations. Fine with me.

What else? We could simply back off fighting territorial ISIS in Syria and make it entirely a problem for Iran, Russia, Hezbollah and Assad. After all, they’re the ones overextended in Syria, not us. Make them fight a two-front war — the moderate rebels on one side and ISIS on the other. If we defeat territorial ISIS in Syria now, we will only reduce the pressure on Assad, Iran, Russia and Hezbollah and enable them to devote all their resources to crushing the last moderate rebels in Idlib, not sharing power with them.

I don’t get it. President Trump is offering to defeat ISIS in Syria for free — and then pivot to strengthening the moderate anti-Assad rebels. Why? When was the last time Trump did anything for free? When was the last real estate deal Trump did where he volunteered to clean up a toxic waste dump — for free — before he negotiated with the owner on the price of the golf course next door?

This is a time for Trump to be Trump — utterly cynical and unpredictable. ISIS right now is the biggest threat to Iran, Hezbollah, Russia and pro-Shiite Iranian militias — because ISIS is a Sunni terrorist group that plays as dirty as Iran and Russia.

Trump should want to defeat ISIS in Iraq. But in Syria? Not for free, not now. In Syria, Trump should let ISIS be Assad’s, Iran’s, Hezbollah’s and Russia’s headache — the same way we encouraged the mujahedeen fighters to bleed Russia in Afghanistan.

Yes, in the long run we want to crush ISIS everywhere, but the only way to crush ISIS and keep it crushed on the ground is if we have moderate Sunnis in Syria and Iraq able and willing to replace it. And those will only emerge if there are real power-sharing deals in Syria and Iraq — and that will only happen if Assad, Russia, Iran and Hezbollah feel pressured to share power.

And while I am at it, where is Trump’s Twitter feed when we need it? He should be tweeting every day this message: “Russia, Iran and Hezbollah have become the protectors of a Syrian regime that uses poison gas on babies! Babies! Russia, Iran, Hezbollah, Assad — poison gas enablers. Sad.”

Do not let them off the hook! We need to make them own what they’ve become — enablers of a Syria that uses poison gas on children. Believe it or not, they won’t like being labeled that way. Trump needs to use his global Twitter feed strategically. Barack Obama never played this card. Trump needs to slam it down every day. It creates leverage.

Syria is not a knitting circle. Everyone there plays dirty, deviously and without mercy. Where’s that Trump when we need him?
That's right folks... Friedman thinks "Trump should let ISIS be Assad’s, Iran’s, Hezbollah’s and Russia’s headache — the same way we encouraged the mujahedeen fighters to bleed Russia in Afghanistan."

Because the mujahedeen never came back to bite us in the ass...

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Re: Meanwhile in Iraq & Syria

Post by Martin Hash » Thu Apr 13, 2017 11:13 am

All this bullshit only makes sense if you're a Zionist.
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Re: Meanwhile in Iraq & Syria

Post by TheReal_ND » Thu Apr 13, 2017 11:13 am

Reminder that the U.S has much more lethal non-nuclear bomb in its arsenal than MOAB.
Described as "the most powerful non-nuclear weapon in the U.S. arsenal,"[1] the device was one of the more powerful conventional weapons designed for warfare.

Unlike most incendiaries, which contained napalm or phosphorus, the 750 pound CBU-55 was fueled primarily by propane.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CBU-55
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Top Democrat: Syria strike doesn't prove Trump is independent of Russia
https://twitter.com/dcexaminer/status/8 ... 8896291841
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Scores of dead Al-Qaeda fighters litter the battlefield in northern Hama today. Their attack failed miserably.

bad day for jihadists


https://twitter.com/leithfadel/status/8 ... 2386392065

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Re: Meanwhile in Iraq & Syria

Post by BjornP » Thu Apr 13, 2017 11:20 am

Iraq post-ISIS is looking more and more likely of splitting up, at least when it comes to Kurdistan:

http://www.rudaw.net/english/kurdistan/110420172

And apparantly now the YPG are both armed by the US-led coalition, and getting training and letting Russia set up a base in their territory.

http://www.rudaw.net/english/analysis/2 ... eyword=PYD

They continue to surprise me. From the documentaries and reports I've seen of Rojava, it mostly strikes me as an - albeit well-armed and well-organized - attempt at a Parisian Commune: Doomed to fail. YPG are after all ideologically close to the PKK. But their ability to make deals seem much more efficient than whatever FSA did.
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Re: Meanwhile in Iraq & Syria

Post by TheReal_ND » Thu Apr 13, 2017 11:23 am

Those guys are kooky. And not very trustworthy in the long run.


Rus MoD has no information concerning the results of bomb attack of international coalition on the areas near Deir ez-Zor

https://twitter.com/mod_russia/status/8 ... 8752836608

Russkies checked, turns out Assad lied, who'da thunk it.

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Re: Meanwhile in Iraq & Syria

Post by Lemonade » Thu Apr 13, 2017 11:25 am

This MOAB delivery has the normies talking here, lots of folks chatting in the halls.

zOMG they killed green beret!?

zOMG, we dropped the biggest bomb ever in Afghanistan!?

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Re: Meanwhile in Iraq & Syria

Post by ssu » Thu Apr 13, 2017 11:28 am

TheReal_ND wrote:Iraqis are now using Taiwanese anti drone jammers. Didn't know such a thing exists tbh.
http://defence-blog.com/news/iraqs-sold ... -iraq.html
There was a good article on how easy it actually is to jam and hack US drones. (Unfortunately I don't remember it)

I think the Iranians have been successful in it when they captured an US drone.

As the enemy fighting the US has simply chosen (likely because of necessity) to be as stone-age as possible in it's command & communications and hasn't seriously challenged the US and the West in electronic warfare, the US hasn't had to really face a modern ECM environment when using drones.

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Re: Meanwhile in Iraq & Syria

Post by TheReal_ND » Thu Apr 13, 2017 11:29 am

Lemonade wrote:This MOAB delivery has the normies talking here, lots of folks chatting in the halls.

zOMG they killed green beret!?

zOMG, we dropped the biggest bomb ever in Afghanistan!?
It's an impressive piece but not even top of the line for conventional bombs. Stupid monicker.


The Syrian leadership has sent messages to Israel warning that any further strikes by the IDF on targets within Syria’s borders would be met with Scud rockets fired deep into the Jewish state

Syria warned that Israeli strikes on Syrian military targets would be met with the firing of Scud missiles...at IDF bases, while an attack on civilian targets would see Syria launching a counter strike on the Haifa port

http://www.timesofisrael.com/syria-thre ... ael-report

“In 2017, all of Israel is under threat,” said Col. Itzik Bar of the military’s Homefront Command. Preparations are underway for Israel to deal with “very high amounts” of incoming fire, he said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/mi ... story.html

The commander of Israel's Home Front issued a stark warning on Monday that the Middle East is headed for a full-scale, multi-front war that would see the use of weapons of mass destruction

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... neral.html

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Re: Meanwhile in Iraq & Syria

Post by ssu » Thu Apr 13, 2017 11:36 am

BjornP wrote:Iraq post-ISIS is looking more and more likely of splitting up, at least when it comes to Kurdistan.
Iraqi Kurdistan has enjoyed semi-independence for a long time now.

Yet basically there's something wrong with the Kurds. If you have 30-32 million people, perhaps even more, one should have an independent country by all logic.

The most likely reason is simply that the other countries have simply been successfull in keeping Kurds in separate factions.

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If you meet a kurd, it's a great opening line: "Why don't you have your own independent country?"