The Middle Passage

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Re: The Middle Passage

Post by Hwen Hoshino » Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:21 am

GloryofGreece wrote:People tend to be more Hobbesian or Rousseauian in their world view. I think the best is a mixture of both. Humans are complex and varied. We are ruled by emotion more than reason. I think a great tragedy in a lot of ways was the delusion of the Enlightenment. The idea that man was perfectible etc. Obviously (at least to me at this point) man is not. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't strive to be better than our base instinct, or that there is no utility in achieving societal tranquility. Like many things there is a balance...with practical goals and more loftier ideals.
Man was perfected in a zillion of ways.
Speaker to Animals wrote:CIA is not as bad as they are made out to be. Some of them do some shady stuff. But other groups are far worse than them.

It has no place in country like the U.S.A.

Those other worse are very far away and can barely do jack to the country.

Speaker to Animals wrote:
kybkh wrote:
Speaker to Animals wrote:CIA is not as bad as they are made out to be. Some of them do some shady stuff. But other groups are far worse than them.
It ain't that big a club and the way its set up is so no-one is accountable which in my book means they all are.

They really are just normal people for the most part. This deep state stuff seems pretty high up in the bureaucracy.

The people we need to reform are the FBI and the NSA, most of all.

I mean.. I would *not* let a CIA director become Secretary of State. I think they are getting a little too big for their britches. But people making them out to be the devil are just silly.


I believe in the Illuminati but the CIA is not the devil.


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Re: The Middle Passage

Post by Speaker to Animals » Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:46 am

LOL, wtf?

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Re: The Middle Passage

Post by C-Mag » Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:04 pm

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Re: The Middle Passage

Post by Hwen Hoshino » Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:05 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:LOL, wtf?
Might have mixed you up with Nuke.

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Re: The Middle Passage

Post by GloryofGreece » Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:09 pm

Hwen Hoshino wrote:
GloryofGreece wrote:People tend to be more Hobbesian or Rousseauian in their world view. I think the best is a mixture of both. Humans are complex and varied. We are ruled by emotion more than reason. I think a great tragedy in a lot of ways was the delusion of the Enlightenment. The idea that man was perfectible etc. Obviously (at least to me at this point) man is not. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't strive to be better than our base instinct, or that there is no utility in achieving societal tranquility. Like many things there is a balance...with practical goals and more loftier ideals.
Man was perfected in a zillion of ways.
Speaker to Animals wrote:CIA is not as bad as they are made out to be. Some of them do some shady stuff. But other groups are far worse than them.

It has no place in country like the U.S.A.

Those other worse are very far away and can barely do jack to the country.

Speaker to Animals wrote:
kybkh wrote:
It ain't that big a club and the way its set up is so no-one is accountable which in my book means they all are.

They really are just normal people for the most part. This deep state stuff seems pretty high up in the bureaucracy.

The people we need to reform are the FBI and the NSA, most of all.

I mean.. I would *not* let a CIA director become Secretary of State. I think they are getting a little too big for their britches. But people making them out to be the devil are just silly.


I believe in the Illuminati but the CIA is not the devil.


STA.

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Man's life has improved in many ways. In other ways we have not. And we are certainly never ever perfect. The pursuit of and idea of "perfection" is essentially pathological idea IMO. Wanting and trying to improve in one thing. Thinking you can become perfect is the definition of hubris.
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Re: The Middle Passage

Post by Hwen Hoshino » Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:59 pm

GloryofGreece wrote:
Hwen Hoshino wrote:
GloryofGreece wrote:People tend to be more Hobbesian or Rousseauian in their world view. I think the best is a mixture of both. Humans are complex and varied. We are ruled by emotion more than reason. I think a great tragedy in a lot of ways was the delusion of the Enlightenment. The idea that man was perfectible etc. Obviously (at least to me at this point) man is not. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't strive to be better than our base instinct, or that there is no utility in achieving societal tranquility. Like many things there is a balance...with practical goals and more loftier ideals.
Man was perfected in a zillion of ways.
Speaker to Animals wrote:CIA is not as bad as they are made out to be. Some of them do some shady stuff. But other groups are far worse than them.

It has no place in country like the U.S.A.

Those other worse are very far away and can barely do jack to the country.

Speaker to Animals wrote:

They really are just normal people for the most part. This deep state stuff seems pretty high up in the bureaucracy.

The people we need to reform are the FBI and the NSA, most of all.

I mean.. I would *not* let a CIA director become Secretary of State. I think they are getting a little too big for their britches. But people making them out to be the devil are just silly.


I believe in the Illuminati but the CIA is not the devil.


STA.

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Man's life has improved in many ways. In other ways we have not. And we are certainly never ever perfect. The pursuit of and idea of "perfection" is essentially pathological idea IMO. Wanting and trying to improve in one thing. Thinking you can become perfect is the definition of hubris.
Agreed.

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Re: The Middle Passage

Post by Fife » Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:38 am

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https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/292386/

http://dailycaller.com/2018/03/26/fbi-o ... informant/
The FBI told its informant Seddique in 2013 that his son was being investigated because he told people he’d become a member of Hezbollah and “appeared to be pleased with the alleged death of FBI agents.” Seddique became “very upset” to learn of the investigation, but the FBI continued working with him as an informant.

The father was widely photographed directly behind Hillary Clinton at a campaign rally after the shooting.

Though former FBI Director James Comey painted Omar as a “lone wolf,” prosecutors say the attack was carried out in support of ISIS and that his wife was well aware of his plans. Salman admitted to lying to the FBI about it. She is now facing trial in Orlando for providing material support to a foreign terror organization. Police shot and killed Omar, ending the attack.
Read the whole thing.

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