A bit of hyperbole. The feds are requiring states comply with minimum standards for issuing driver's licenses and if they don't, you'll need a passport to fly out of those states. Currently 9 states will be requiring passports for domestic travel starting in 2018.GrumpyCatFace wrote:
say what?
From the DHS' website on the REAL ID Act:GrumpyCatFace wrote:say what?Kath wrote: I just show my driver's license. /shrugs. I doubt anybody around here is in favor of a national ID. It's bad enough we have to start showing our passports to travel domestically, soon.
Now, take a good look at their map of current state compliance. All states not in green are not in compliance with the REAL ID regulations. If those deadlines pass, and the states have neither become compliant or gotten yet another extension, the driver's license for those states will be ineligible as ID for domestic flight, meaning citizens living in those states will be required to have a passport (which is REAL ID compliant) in order to domestically fly until the states resolve the matter with DHS in some way.Starting January 22, 2018, passengers who have driver’s licenses issued by a state that is not yet compliant with REAL ID and that has not received an extension will need to show an alternative form of acceptable identification for domestic air travel. Please see TSA’s website for a list of acceptable forms of identification. Passengers who have licenses issued by a state that is compliant or that has an extension to become compliant with REAL ID requirements may continue to use their licenses as usual. For a list of states already in compliance or with an extension visit DHS’s REAL ID webpage. DHS continually updates this list as more states come into compliance or obtain extensions.
Starting October 1, 2020, every air traveler will need to present a REAL ID-compliant license or another acceptable form of identification for domestic air travel. A REAL ID compliant license is one that meets, and is issued by a state that complies with, the REAL ID Act’s security standards.
What is stored on that black strip, anyway? (I don't have a chip, just the strip.)GrumpyCatFace wrote:Lemme guess. REAL ID is micro-chipped.
The black stripe is the magnetic strip, like the one on your credit card or bank card.Kath wrote:What is stored on that black strip, anyway? (I don't have a chip, just the strip.)GrumpyCatFace wrote:Lemme guess. REAL ID is micro-chipped.
Also, I think RFID is a different thing from the smart chips in the passports, my bad.Said cards must also feature specific security features intended to prevent tampering, counterfeiting, or duplication of the document for fraudulent purposes. These cards must also present data in a common, machine-readable format (bar codes, smart card technology, etc.). Although the use of wireless RFID chips was offered for consideration in the proposed rulemaking process, it was not included in the latest rulemaking process.[26] DHS could consider additional technological requirements to be incorporated into the licenses after consulting with the states. In addition, DHS has required the use of RFID chips in its Enhanced Driver's License program, which the Department is proposing as an alternative to REAL ID.[27]
Look, the government already has all your metadata.pineapplemike wrote:Maybe I'm just pessimistic from my years of being a witness to government, but as a white man I feel pretty confident in saying any form of federal national ID can fuck right off, these opportunistic fucks will not hesitate to add some bullshit requirement or mandate or chip to a voter ID card. Oh it's a voter ID but I can use it to conveniently purchase goods and services after it's forcibly linked to my bank account? Oh and it tracks me for my own safety to ensure a democratic process during election season? Oh and it will conveniently rub my balls as the feds further clamp down on any anonymity I enjoy? Fuck outta here, I empathize with voter fraud but I don't trust those dishonest shitheads in DC
I just don't see how having an id card is going to add something to the USG's spy kit. Maybe for the less than 1% of people who go through all the trouble to stay off the grid but not for the far majority of Americans.Speaker to Animals wrote:A national ID could easily be subverted into more shitty police state actions. They could do to a national ID card what they did to our passports, that you actually have to shield from hackers now because of the fucking RFID chips.
The better solution is for the federal government to decertify elections in states that willfully allow illegal voters to fuck up national elections (like California). As long as they behave that way, then they shouldn't be voting in any federal elections. I think they'd change their tune right quick if their votes no longer counted until they started ensuring basic election integrity.
It's not even controversial to do this. All the southern states have had to deal with something similar for generations.
kybkh wrote:I just don't see how having an id card is going to add something to the USG's spy kit. Maybe for the less than 1% of people who go through all the trouble to stay off the grid but not for the far majority of Americans.Speaker to Animals wrote:A national ID could easily be subverted into more shitty police state actions. They could do to a national ID card what they did to our passports, that you actually have to shield from hackers now because of the fucking RFID chips.
The better solution is for the federal government to decertify elections in states that willfully allow illegal voters to fuck up national elections (like California). As long as they behave that way, then they shouldn't be voting in any federal elections. I think they'd change their tune right quick if their votes no longer counted until they started ensuring basic election integrity.
It's not even controversial to do this. All the southern states have had to deal with something similar for generations.
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