China, A Communist Nation

[DrYouth]

Y'all are just Jonesing for a Cold War.... cause Regan and like some kind of American hard on is all associated with "winning" that .

China is China... Yes it will always remain China... and Communism isn't changing much of anything about China.
It is dictatorial and ethnically Chinese... it is an empire.

Stop tying Marxist threads around everything.

Just stop.

[Mercury]

Y'all are just Jonesing for a Cold War.... cause Regan and like some kind of American hard on is all associated with "winning" that .

China is China... Yes it will always remain China... and Communism isn't changing much of anything about China.
It is dictatorial and ethnically Chinese... it is an empire.

Stop tying Marxist threads around everything.

Just stop.

Stop tying Marxist threads around communism?

[DrYouth]

We are not actually talking about Communism... we are talking about Chinese interests and satellite states... many of whom are not communist at all... even China is hardly communist... other than in the name of their party.
Talk about the Chinese empire as it has always been.
Self interested and state oriented.

China and Sweden have no mutually reinforcing ideology worth putting digital ink to.

[Mercury]

I see your point, but China is totally communist. So are Vietnam, Laos, North Korea, and Cuba.

The recent love fest for the fallen Castro (and the misguided cultural iconography of Guevara) suggests, to some extent, that a good portion of the west is still sympathetic to communism.

[Speaker to Animals]

I see your point, but China is totally communist. So are Vietnam, Laos, North Korea, and Cuba.

The recent love fest for the fallen Castro (and the misguided cultural iconography of Guevara) suggests, to some extent, that a good portion of the west is still sympathetic to communism.

And as you can see here, they don't want you to ever point it out.

[apeman]

I see your point, but China is totally communist. So are Vietnam, Laos, North Korea, and Cuba.

The recent love fest for the fallen Castro (and the misguided cultural iconography of Guevara) suggests, to some extent, that a good portion of the west is still sympathetic to communism.

I did notice that the U of Albany held a gathering for professors and students to reflect on the accomplishments of Castro after his death.

[Speaker to Animals]

This abomination is making the rounds on the internet:



The marxism is even shocking the Scandinavians in its depravity.

[BjornP]

If China's the most "Communist" nation left, Communism soundly lost. How do you think Mao would think about China being a free market economy now? About Chinese billionaries? There's a reason that if you want to find a real Maoist today, you're gonna have to go to India, or interview some old Khmer Rouge fellas. China purged them after Mao died, starting with Mao's own wife.

Having a free market capitalism does not guarentee liberty for all, either. Hasn't historically (Batista in Cuba, Pinochet in Chile, and Singapore's "benign dictatorship" is no "liberty nation", either, yet it's anything but Marxist).

And Martin... your view of Scandinavia as being a genuinely Marxist or Communist country or that our highest goals are an "Equality of Results" world... is Tolkienesque. As in a fantasy world. You may travel alot, but so do Hollywood celebrities. Hasn't made them or their geographical knowledge or knowledge about what life's like in other countries any more accurate. All Scandinavian countries are free market economies.

The world is not "Communist leaning"... Seriously... that's probably the most bizarre statement anyone on the DCF and your own forum has ever made. Look up what Communism actually is , man. Communism's goal is the end of government, it means no private ownership of the means of production, and a belief that your identity as a person is tied up in ownership of the things you produce. You can't expect intelligent people to play along with a game that includes calling anything Communism that does not fullfill all the requirements of what the word means. It would be like a Chinese person calling state control of the media "liberty", or a North Korean Juche supporter calling his one-state system a multi-party democracy. About as credible, too.

The thing your American leftists believe in, is a sad mix of idealised views of Scandinavian "Socialism" (which 9/10 has nothing to do with reality, either), progressive "White Man's Burden" type racism where they want to save all the little brown people and believing that "tax-payed" means "free". The sort of Socialism that is prevalent in Europe isn't Communism by any stretch of the imagination. It is Social Democracy. Treating European Social Democrats as Communists, is as idiotic and fact-ignorant as somebody treating anything to the right of the Social Democrat as a "Fascist".

Otoh, you have a guy like StA who believes in Universal Basic Income. How on Earth's that not what you'd feel like calling "Communist"?

Cold War's over, Martin. Socialism in Europe loves capitalism, and capitalism in Europe loves Socialism. You are perfectly free to believe in fairy tales about Europe, or even the world being "Communist", but know that that is as hard to take seriously as if a stereotypical Swedish SJW'er were to call you Fascist-Nazi Imperialists or whatever they might come up with.

There is anti-liberty sentiments in Europe, though. They're just not Communist. The old school Communist party in my country aren't peddling the SJW crap. They're peddling the old school Communist crap, instead.

[BjornP]

I see your point, but China is totally communist. So are Vietnam, Laos, North Korea, and Cuba.

The recent love fest for the fallen Castro (and the misguided cultural iconography of Guevara) suggests, to some extent, that a good portion of the west is still sympathetic to communism.

In your best estimation, what sort of percentage of the Western, and/or of the US, population would you say were sympathetic to Communism and Communist icons?

[BjornP]

I'm obviously not too big a fan of EU attempts to turn itself into a country, and this particular article is not something I support, either. It does poke holes in the notion that Europe is so very Communist.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall ... 9d1eca7782

And here's the current political makeup of the European parliament:



Everything to the left of the yellow block (the Classical Liberal, Neo-Liberal and Social Liberal group) are Socialist parties. The light blue and biggest faction is the Christian Democrat/Conservative parties.