Alexander the Great vs. Genghis Khan:Who Will Win?

[katarn]

We had two of these? Did no one remember when I broached the topic?

I started my old thread back in 2013.

I'm aware, I looked. I'm simply surprised no one who'd been around then directed me to it as Smitty did with the knife porn thread.

[katarn]

Anyway, if you just time transplant one or the other, even with time to prepare, Alexander loses horribly in a battle and a campaign, unless the question is whether GK can hold Alexander's empire.

[Okeefenokee]

Did none of you read Time Odyssey? This exact scenario was played out. Genghis vs Alexander outside the walls of Babylon. Alexander won.

p.s. Genghis had a 2030's astronaut on his side, and Alexander had an 1890's British regiment from north India, and three UN soldiers from the 2030's on his side.

[katarn]

Did none of you read Time Odyssey? This exact scenario was played out. Genghis vs Alexander outside the walls of Babylon. Alexander won.

p.s. Genghis had a 2030's astronaut on his side, and Alexander had an 1890's British regiment from north India, and three UN soldiers from the 2030's on his side.

Very reliable then. Along with a scenario where Alexander has acclimated to steel (or vice versa where GK uses iron), we'll give him British troops with firearms! Maybe then he'll stand a chance.

[Okeefenokee]

Did none of you read Time Odyssey? This exact scenario was played out. Genghis vs Alexander outside the walls of Babylon. Alexander won.

p.s. Genghis had a 2030's astronaut on his side, and Alexander had an 1890's British regiment from north India, and three UN soldiers from the 2030's on his side.

Very reliable then. Along with a scenario where Alexander has acclimated to steel (or vice versa where GK uses iron), we'll give him British troops with firearms! Maybe then he'll stand a chance.

I have shown my work.

[katarn]

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Did none of you read Time Odyssey? This exact scenario was played out. Genghis vs Alexander outside the walls of Babylon. Alexander won.

p.s. Genghis had a 2030's astronaut on his side, and Alexander had an 1890's British regiment from north India, and three UN soldiers from the 2030's on his side.

Very reliable then. Along with a scenario where Alexander has acclimated to steel (or vice versa where GK uses iron), we'll give him British troops with firearms! Maybe then he'll stand a chance.

I have shown my work.

You win the thread. I shout lolled and scared the shit out of my old lady.

[Okeefenokee]

/go team!

[SuburbanFarmer]

Not sure why we would have to wonder about this...

The story of Alexander is full of references to battles against 'fight and flee' tactics performed by mounted archers, in his campaign against Persia. Should we assume that these were any different from Mongol tactics?

We can certainly argue about whether Genghis inspired his troops a little more, but I'm not sure what that would accomplish... The only real difference would be in the total numbers on the field at any time - something which could certainly go in any number of directions. But I don't believe that Genghis really ever massed his entire force in any single place... Perhaps I'm wrong on this?

[Heraclius]

Not sure why we would have to wonder about this...

The story of Alexander is full of references to battles against 'fight and flee' tactics performed by mounted archers, in his campaign against Persia. Should we assume that these were any different from Mongol tactics?

We can certainly argue about whether Genghis inspired his troops a little more, but I'm not sure what that would accomplish... The only real difference would be in the total numbers on the field at any time - something which could certainly go in any number of directions. But I don't believe that Genghis really ever massed his entire force in any single place... Perhaps I'm wrong on this?

They were most definitely different from the Mongol tactics. You can't just conveniently ignore the military advancements that happened throughout the millennia after the death of Alexander. Stirrups in themselves are going to cause the death of Alexander. The development of far superior composite bow strength is going to destroy Alexander. Then, depending on what decade this Genghis Khan army is from, we need to account for the ridiculous armor enhancements that Genghis Khan's horsemen are going to have over Alexander whose troops never even had horse armor. You think the Mongols are going to have a difficult time killing the horses that the Companions are going to be riding?

Besides, when it comes to advantages outside of the battlefield, Genghis Khan runs circles around Alexander. If we cut out those advantages and just plop them on some battlefield, Genghis Khan still holds the advantage. While you can argue that both are premier commanders at their preferred method of fighting, there's nothing that Alexander's troops do better than the Chinese regiments of pikemen, crossbowmen, and nomadic cavalry. If we assume the battlefield to be the same as the battle of Jaxartes that I posted prior, a huge advantage for Alexander, the lack of supplies is going to force Alexander to retreat at some point. This in turn means that he either leaves a small force to hold back the Mongols which inevitably gets overrun or he takes everything and allows the land around him to be pillaged while Genghis flees before he can be caught by the slow-moving infantry force.