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[Smitty-48]

Fuck. That must have been a hydrogen bomb.

Not just a hydrogen bomb, a big one, ten times the yield of the most powerful American warhead currently deployed, the W87 on the Minuteman III at 475 kilotons. Roughly five times the yield of the most powerful currently deployed Russian warhead, which is 750 kilotons.

4-5 megatons yield; only the Chinese still deploy warheads that powerful, on their DF-5A ICBM, and they only have 20 of those, and they don't even have them on alert, the warheads and missiles are stored separately.

So if the NK's deploy that bomb they just tested there, they will be deploying the most powerful thermonuclear warhead in the world currently on alert.

The purpose of bombs that big, was to compensate for a lack of accuracy, the NK's don't have to be accurate, when they're employing multimegaton yields.

As I said, when they go two stage fission-fusion, they'll be going the 1950's version of.

Another above ground test in this range, Operation Redwing Navajo, also Bikini Atoll 1956, 4.5 megatons yield;

[ssu]

If Russia poses no threat to incite World War Three.

Imminent WW3 and Russia being a threat are two different things.

Even during the Cold War we weren't in a situation were war was imminent. Some false alarms (which last btw happened after the Cold War) and Cuban crises were the closest we went. But war wasn't something that was unavoidable or imminent.

I see no threat of Czar Rooble deposing King Dollah, ergo, what's the big whoop then? If it's not nuclear war, then we don't need NATO, as in a conventional war, the Russians would be hard pressed to take Poland, never mind Western Europe.

If you mention currency, you know then that not everything is about megatons.

And the disposing the Dollar is not done with the Rouble, but with a system of a basket of currencies, which has been for a long time Putin's objective. First things what he was talking about when he came to power. From 2009:

Russian prime minister Vladimir Putin has called for concerted action to break the stranglehold of the US dollar and create a new global structure of regional powers.

"The one reserve currency has become a danger to the world economy: that is now obvious to everybody," he said in a speech at the World Economic Forum. Mr Putin said the leading powers should ensure an "irreversible" move towards a system of multiple reserve currencies, questioning the "reliability" of the US dollar as a safe store of value. "The pride of Wall Street investment banks don't exist any more," he said.

And if you don't think that Putin isn't thinking this way now too, here's an article from two days ago, September 1st 2017:

(Tass)Putin: BRICS Ready to Challenge US Dollar as Global Reserve Currency

Russia is ready to join forces with its partners to counter excessive domination’ of the limited number of reserve currencies, Russian President Vladimir Putin said in his article in the run-up of the BRICS summit published on Friday. "We are ready to work together with our partners to promote international financial regulation reforms and to overcome the excessive domination of the limited number of reserve currencies. We will also work towards a more balanced distribution of quotas and voting shares within the IMF and the World Bank," Putin said

According to the Russian leader, Russia shares the BRICS countries’ concerns over the unfairness of the global financial and economic architecture, which does not give due regard to the growing weight of the emerging economies."I am confident that the BRICS countries will continue to act in a consolidated manner against protectionism and new barriers in global trade," he said. "We value the BRICS countries’ consensus on this issue, which allows us to more consistently advocate the foundations of an open, equal and mutually beneficial multilateral trade system and to strengthen the role of the WTO as the key regulator in international trade."

Yep, doesn't like the dollar at all:

[Smitty-48]

Sure, but it's complete nonsense, anybody who says "basket of currencies" doesn't understand the reserve currency nor how the US dollar became it, the only way to depose the US dollar would be to out import the United States, which imports 25% of the worlds resoures, and Russia, with an economy the size of Spain's, has abolutely no capacity to impact it, so whatever; dezinformatsiya.

[Smitty-48]

Now, just to get back on OP before ssu spams up another thread with "Russia, Russia, Russia"....

....if North Korea were to hit several American metropolitan centers with multimegaton yield hydrogen bombs?

OK, that would probably take the wind out of King Dollah's sails then.

Although a "basket of currencies" would still be pointless, as that would defeat the whole purpose of a reserve currency, so the markets would determine what the new reserve currency was, and it wouldn't be a basket.

[ssu]

Sure, but it's complete nonsense, anybody who says "basket of currencies" doesn't understand the reserve currency nor how the US dollar became it, the only way to depose the US dollar would be to out import the United States, which imports 25% of the worlds resoures, and Russia, with an economy the size of Spain's, has abolutely no capacity to impact it, so whatever; dezinformatsiya.

Russia is only one alphabet in BRIC. Others are Brazil, India and China. The nominal GDP of those four countries combined is larger than the GDP of the EU. So it's not dezinformatsiya. Putin knows the way how to punch far beyond your weight.

Basket of currencies has worked quite well. Pre-WW2 no currency had the kind of role that the US had and things were OK even if you had a link to gold (that had already been neutered in WW1).

[Smitty-48]

Sure, but it's complete nonsense, anybody who says "basket of currencies" doesn't understand the reserve currency nor how the US dollar became it, the only way to depose the US dollar would be to out import the United States, which imports 25% of the worlds resoures, and Russia, with an economy the size of Spain's, has abolutely no capacity to impact it, so whatever; dezinformatsiya.

Russia is only one alphabet in BRIC. Others are Brazil, India and China. The nominal GDP of those four countries combined is larger than the GDP of the EU. So it's not dezinformatsiya.

Basket of currencies has worked quite well. Pre-WW2 no currency had the kind of role that the US had and things were OK even if you had a link to gold (that had already been neutered in WW1).

Basket of Currencies is no reserve currency at all, by definition, but since the United States imports over 2 trillion a year, paying in US dollars and so flooding the markets with US dollars in the process, the BRIC's have no capacity to unseat the US dollar as the reserve currency.

Never mind that the idea that the world markets would take the IOU's of the BRIC's as proxy for the dollar is patently moronic in of itself. The only basket there, is a basket of four basket cases. The bulk of that GDP is China's, and they have no democracy, no rule of law, no transparency, and so nobody trusts them, their currency least of all. The only reason the Chinese are rich is because the Americans have flooded them with US dollars.

And what does this have to do with North Korea, fuckwit?

[ssu]

Basket of Currencies is no reserve currency at all, by definition, but since the United States imports over 2 trillion a year, paying in US dollars and so flooding the markets with US dollars in the process, the BRIC's have no capacity to unseat the US dollar as the reserve currency.

To think it would never happen is wrong. It's a possibility. The ultimate error that people make is to assume it means that some currency would take on the role of the dollar which it has at present. That's not going to happen. You can have a basket of currencies, where likely the dollar is the most important. Yes, that's not basically a reserve currency anymore, but a currency system still. You have currency calculators hence it's not a big deal. And likely the currency markets would in the end like it: more transactions for them.

What the likely outcome is just that the role of the dollar won't be one as it was before, even if it stays to be the most important currency. And that it put strains on just how much the US can live off from debt. Yet this is only a possibility. The role of a dollar-centric global economy can continue for quite some time also.

But back to the topic.

Basically the main point is that this game that the nations play isn't only limited to their megatons and there are many ways to get to the other one besides an all out war.

[Speaker to Animals]

Had Californians not lacked basic awareness of reality, they might begin to regret helping to put Obama and Clinton into office for so long. Maybe it's a mercy that they have no idea of the risk until day the balloon goes up.

At least we won't have to deal with California any longer. Maybe it's just political Darwinism at work here.

[Smitty-48]

Basically the main point is that this game that the nations play isn't only limited to their megatons and there are many ways to get to the other one besides an all out war.

True enough, but clearly the North Koreans are putting some considerable stock in megatons, as 6.3 magnitude detonation? That, is a fuckin' monster bomb.

With the first NK claimed hydrogen bomb test, the Americans poo-pooed it, said it was "only 4.8 magnitude", but if you understand how the Richter scale works, 4.8 to 6.3 is an exponential increase, 10 times more powerful, so I would say the NK's batted this one out of the park.

[Smitty-48]

I wonder if they're using a three stage device already? Maybe that really was their Redwing Tewa, high fission yield tamper charge third stage, less deuterium more uranium.

That seems like the NK's style, as fusion is clean and fission is dirty, so fission-fusion-fission three stage is the doomsday bomb, maximum radioactive fallout. Not to mention they probably have more weaponized uranium on hand than they do lithium-deuteride. The three stage for them, could actually be the cheaper and easier way to squeeze the megatons out of it, and miniaturize, while achieving maximum lethality for their buck.

Obviously they want a big bomb, because they don't have accuracy, but they also might only get a handful of bombs through the American defenses, might only be one that gets through in the end, so they want the dirtiest deadliest bomb of them all, to devastate the CONUS writ large with a radioactive shroud.

Getting back to the neutron bomb, that uranium tamper is what you remove to make it an N-bomb, because you don't need much plutonium to initiate fusion, the H-bomb burns the hydrogen in the isotopes to get its power, but fusion doesn't produce fallout, x-rays, gamma rays, neutrons, but no lingering fallout.

Almost all your fallout come from burning the uranium tamper.

So, the neutron bomb is the "clean" hydrogen bomb, but, there is the option to go the other way, and that's to use a bigger uranium tamper as a third stage booster, and then that's the "dirty" hydrogen bomb.

Most people would say "cobalt thorium g", from the movie, but I call it Redwing Tewa, which was the real deal, American version of, 5 megaton monster bomb, 87% fission, three stage dirty, plutonium-deuterium-uranium.

Look again, because if you're going to Cormac McCarthy's The Road, this is the bomb that's gonna take you there, Redwing Tewa, stare into the abyss....