Fife wrote:Andy and Ronnie Howard are good Democrats; can we at least save them until Purge 2?
How is that Trump's fault? It's the media who is twisting his message, and causing people to view the situation that way, not him.ssu wrote:But nope, you have Trump.
Hence in the end, Lee is made to be hero for nazis.
Great.
To gain even more perspective a lot of those statues came up either in the 1900s, the 1920s, or the 1960s. So there were periods where people wanted them to go up (and the common belief was that they were saying "fuck you" to racial minorities when they went up).ssu wrote:Perfect Storm.Penner wrote:Except that a lot of these statues are being removed by the will of local governments and/or groups
First thing of course is that it's over 100 years or more from when the vast majority of the statues were built, nowdays people don't have connection to the things as those who erected them, some of whom were of the Civil War-generation and many their children, basically. This naturally means something else for people now. And that else is of course Jim Crow, segregation and all Civil Rights movement. (With this viewpoint one conveniently forget that also the North had racial segregation in the 19th Century.)
Then, not only have you the attacks of white supremacists/neonazis Dylan Roof & James Fields Jr. that focus national media in such way that the left can use the moment, but you also have the worst possible speaker defending Civil War statues and that's Donald Trump. There would be many southern politicians like Sessions (for starters) that could easily condemn bigotry and nazism yet respect the Southern Heritage.
But nope, you have Trump.
Hence in the end, Lee is made to be hero for nazis.
Great.
Trump didn't put up those statues BUT he did have a chance to unite everyone after last Saturday but totally drop the ball on it. If anything his words probably made everyone even less united than before.StCapps wrote:How is that Trump's fault, it's the media who is twisting his message, not him.ssu wrote:But nope, you have Trump.
Hence in the end, Lee is made to be hero for nazis.
Great.
That shouldn't be the case. Trump's comments were fine and the media took them the wrong way, as usual, and ran with it. That's why people are more divided afterward, not because of Trump's actual words, but because of an idiotic interpretation of those words by those who hold a grudge against the man who spoke those words. People should be more united afterward, but that is not the narrative the media wants to push, and they are trying to blame Trump for the incident and his response to it, because they are shills, not objective observers.Penner wrote:Trump didn't put up those statues BUT he did have a chance to unite everyone after last Saturday but totally drop the ball on it. If anything his words probably made everyone even less united than before.
Penner wrote:To gain even more perspective a lot of those statues came up either in the 1900s, the 1920s, or the 1960s. So there were periods where people wanted them to go up (and the common belief was that they were saying "fuck you" to racial minorities when they went up).
Nope, Trump comments were about assigning blame to both groups. Which pissed a bunch of people off- which then just made the people (at the best) united against Trump but clearly those weren't words to speak to unite a people but instead it just made him look like even more of an asshole.StCapps wrote:That shouldn't be the case. Trump's comments were fine and the media took them the wrong way, as usual, and ran with it. That's why people are more divided afterward, not because of Trump's actual words, but because of an idiotic interpretation of those words by those who hold a grudge against the man who spoke those words. People should be more united afterward, but that is not the narrative the media wants to push, and they are trying to blame Trump for the incident and his response to it, because they are shills, not objective observers.Penner wrote:Trump didn't put up those statues BUT he did have a chance to unite everyone after last Saturday but totally drop the ball on it. If anything his words probably made everyone even less united than before.
You have fallen for their bullshit, yet again, you clearly listen to mainstream media's interpretation of Trump's actions far too often in lieu of forming your own opinion of his actions based on what he actually said and not what the media claims that he said.
Both sides deserve blame for this situation, the media is just mad Trump didn't single out only those on the right while ignoring the left. Some folks on the left are just mad the nazi fucks aren't the only side getting violent and Trump reminded you of that, so now hacks like you are lashing out against him for that. The left needs to get it's shit together too, and the fact that y'all are so butthurt about Trump mentioning that in his comments, that just proves you guys are not an objective observers, you're hostile witnesses.Penner wrote:Nope, Trump comments were about assigning blame to both groups. Which pissed a bunch of people off- which then just made the people (at the best) united against Trump but clearly those weren't words to speak to unite a people but instead it just made him look like even more of an asshole.
StCapps wrote:Both sides deserve blame for this situation, the media is just mad Trump didn't single out only those on the right while ignoring the left. You are just mad the nazi fucks aren't the only side getting violent and Trump reminded you of that, so now hacks like you are lashing out against him. Fuck off with your idiotic line thinking, y'all are bunch of retards.Penner wrote:Nope, Trump comments were about assigning blame to both groups. Which pissed a bunch of people off- which then just made the people (at the best) united against Trump but clearly those weren't words to speak to unite a people but instead it just made him look like even more of an asshole.
No, but the unpeaceful ANTIFA fucks deserve blame for ratcheting up tensions, and the fuck head who ran over that chick, well he's too blame for almost all of it. The media is just butthurt that Trump isn't singling out neo-nazi's as some dire problem that needs to be fixed ASAP, in the wake of this incident, all while neglecting to mention the violence perpetrated on the other side of the political spectrum. The only way to satisfy the media with his comments would have been to do so, but because he didn't they are crying "Racist! Racist! Racist!" from the rooftops.Penner wrote:[So peaceful protesters are to be blame for having some shithead ram his car into two parked cars and then into the crowd?
