Destroying History

[TheReal_ND]

If it's not a false flag the agenda is pretty clear

[katarn]

The only person " suggested that Mount Rushmore come down" was Former Governor Huckabee. Its not a real proposal by any thinking person. To make a good discussion facts, not 'straw men" should be elicited.

Sure, if it was just Huckabee, then it was just one person. I hadn't heard Mount Rushmore. What I have seen is a CNN anchor arguing that Trump was right about Washington. I have seen Al Sharpton arguing against the Jefferson Memorial. The Lincoln Memorial was graffitied (although AFAIK we don't know the culprit's leaning), and a bust of Lincoln has been set on fire. If Lincoln isn't off limits because he was racist, who is? There is a faction that wants to remove too much for too little cause.

Now I don't think that taking down statues erases history- it obviously doesn't- but it does represent a large expenditure that I think should be justified. Many of the statues in question originally- the confederate ones- were put there, it seems, as oppressive tools. But the context matters. A peace memorial for the civil war in Atlanta was defaced because it had 'racist' connotations and imagery, but it was a peace monument, not one glorifying the South.

[Speaker to Animals]

Hey guys, let's just make like Mao and have a cultural revolution. It will be great!

[From the Left]

" Should statues of Lenin and Stalin be scrapped in modern day Russia and former USSR countries?" I was in St Petersburg in 1994, which was shortly after the fall of Soviet Union. Few if any Lenin/Stalin statues were seen. In Riga Latvia, 1997, I say a place where hundreds of Lenin and Stalin statues which had been removed from public squares, buildings etc and had been placed. Removing the statues isn't 'removing history but in actuality is showing how despicable these men were in their life and ought not memorized. Remembered. not not honoured.

[Okeefenokee]

" Should statues of Lenin and Stalin be scrapped in modern day Russia and former USSR countries?" I was in St Petersburg in 1994, which was shortly after the fall of Soviet Union. Few if any Lenin/Stalin statues were seen. In Riga Latvia, 1997, I say a place where hundreds of Lenin and Stalin statues which had been removed from public squares, buildings etc and had been placed. Removing the statues isn't 'removing history but in actuality is showing how despicable these men were in their life and ought not memorized. Remembered. not not honoured.

See if DB will team up to start taking down statues of Marxists in the PNW.

[TheReal_ND]

" Should statues of Lenin and Stalin be scrapped in modern day Russia and former USSR countries?" I was in St Petersburg in 1994, which was shortly after the fall of Soviet Union. Few if any Lenin/Stalin statues were seen. In Riga Latvia, 1997, I say a place where hundreds of Lenin and Stalin statues which had been removed from public squares, buildings etc and had been placed. Removing the statues isn't 'removing history but in actuality is showing how despicable these men were in their life and ought not memorized. Remembered. not not honoured.

Removing the totems of American culture is just totem removing but it's indicative of a larger trend. If you are truly from the left then you would have been exposed to the amount of backlash the faculty in academia get for having taught the simple American history of white people in this continent. You can argue removing a statue means nothing but we all know what the true aim is and it's genocide as defined by NATO if applied to any other homogeneous group of peoples consisting the nation they reside in. You will never get away with this kind of behavior in say Japan or Korea. It's only here you push this agenda and it's specifically because you have been taught that white Americans are evil because of how we formed this nation and turned it into the country you now, supposedly, have the benefit of living in.

[SuburbanFarmer]

" Should statues of Lenin and Stalin be scrapped in modern day Russia and former USSR countries?" I was in St Petersburg in 1994, which was shortly after the fall of Soviet Union. Few if any Lenin/Stalin statues were seen. In Riga Latvia, 1997, I say a place where hundreds of Lenin and Stalin statues which had been removed from public squares, buildings etc and had been placed. Removing the statues isn't 'removing history but in actuality is showing how despicable these men were in their life and ought not memorized. Remembered. not not honoured.

Removing the totems of American culture is just totem removing but it's indicative of a larger trend. If you are truly from the left then you would have been exposed to the amount of backlash the faculty in academia get for having taught the simple American history of white people in this continent. You can argue removing a statue means nothing but we all know what the true aim is and it's genocide as defined by NATO if applied to any other homogeneous group of peoples consisting the nation they reside in. You will never get away with this kind of behavior in say Japan or Korea. It's only here you push this agenda and it's specifically because you have been taught that white Americans are evil because of how we formed this nation and turned it into the country you now, supposedly, have the benefit of living in.

Point of order: it's already been done in Japan.

[Penner]

The only person " suggested that Mount Rushmore come down" was Former Governor Huckabee. Its not a real proposal by any thinking person. To make a good discussion facts, not 'straw men" should be elicited.

Welcome to the forum. Glad to see some fresh meat here and also someone who is taking a different thinking point contrary to the two most prolific posters here in this thread and on the forum. This place for a while has become sort of an echo chamber and focusing less and less on current events.

[katarn]

" Should statues of Lenin and Stalin be scrapped in modern day Russia and former USSR countries?" I was in St Petersburg in 1994, which was shortly after the fall of Soviet Union. Few if any Lenin/Stalin statues were seen. In Riga Latvia, 1997, I say a place where hundreds of Lenin and Stalin statues which had been removed from public squares, buildings etc and had been placed. Removing the statues isn't 'removing history but in actuality is showing how despicable these men were in their life and ought not memorized. Remembered. not not honoured.

I think I missed doing this earlier, but better late than never.

You're right. Removing statues isn't really erasing history like some people wrongly argue. I think removing statues is fine, as long as it is done properly. Durham was not something I would endorse; it was mob destruction. The original issue of Charlottesville, the Lee statue, I would support removing if voters wanted it. It could be sold to private owners though, it doesn't have to be smashed. I might like a Lee statue or a Sherman or a Grant (those latter two being racists, maybe future targets of Antifa) for their generalship.

To your question, sure. If people want Stalin statues out, get them out. But if they are public monuments it cannot be private groups destroying them like Antifa is now in the US. Likewise, it shouldn't be some authoritarian order from a mayor without a city council vote or the like- that sets up ground like Sulla's purge of Marius in Rome. I haven't heard anything about that happening, but being thorough is important.

[TheReal_ND]

" Should statues of Lenin and Stalin be scrapped in modern day Russia and former USSR countries?" I was in St Petersburg in 1994, which was shortly after the fall of Soviet Union. Few if any Lenin/Stalin statues were seen. In Riga Latvia, 1997, I say a place where hundreds of Lenin and Stalin statues which had been removed from public squares, buildings etc and had been placed. Removing the statues isn't 'removing history but in actuality is showing how despicable these men were in their life and ought not memorized. Remembered. not not honoured.

Removing the totems of American culture is just totem removing but it's indicative of a larger trend. If you are truly from the left then you would have been exposed to the amount of backlash the faculty in academia get for having taught the simple American history of white people in this continent. You can argue removing a statue means nothing but we all know what the true aim is and it's genocide as defined by NATO if applied to any other homogeneous group of peoples consisting the nation they reside in. You will never get away with this kind of behavior in say Japan or Korea. It's only here you push this agenda and it's specifically because you have been taught that white Americans are evil because of how we formed this nation and turned it into the country you now, supposedly, have the benefit of living in.

Point of order: it's already been done in Japan.

Not familiar with Nip culture having removed imperial vestiges. Last I checked they still have a king. Could you perhaps provide a link stuffy cat face?