Top 10 Generals

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Montegriffo wrote:Yeah Boudica was just a local East Anglian choice
If local choice is permitted, then my top ten, here amongst the red and green maples would be...

1.Wolfe
2.Brock
3.Tecumseh
4.Currie
5.Crerar
6.Foulkes
7.Simmonds
8.Rockingham
9.Hoffmiester
10.McNaughton
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Does saving Europe from the jihadis count?

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Smitty-48 wrote:
Montegriffo wrote:Yeah Boudica was just a local East Anglian choice
If local choice is permitted, then my top ten, here amongst the red and green maples would be...

1.Wolfe
2.Brock
3.Tecumseh
4.Currie
5.Crerar
6.Foulkes
7.Simmonds
8.Rockingham
9.Hoffmiester
10.McNaughton
I was going to say Kent born, Englishman of Irish origins James Wolfe and his British army career but I knew you would claim him for Canada.
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Montegriffo wrote:
Smitty-48 wrote:
Montegriffo wrote:Yeah Boudica was just a local East Anglian choice
If local choice is permitted, then my top ten, here amongst the red and green maples would be...

1.Wolfe
2.Brock
3.Tecumseh
4.Currie
5.Crerar
6.Foulkes
7.Simmonds
8.Rockingham
9.Hoffmiester
10.McNaughton
I was going to say Kent born, Englishman of Irish origins James Wolfe and his British army career but I knew you would claim him for Canada.
Technically, he claimed Canada for me, in one of the most brilliantly executed military operations of all time, and gave his life for it on the field at the head of his troops, hence why he tops the list.
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Ok, he's your one local, who are the real global top ten though?
Ghengis Kahn, Julius Ceasar, Washington?
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"If, by accident in the river, by the enemy’s resistance, by sickness, or slaughter in the army, or, from any other cause, we find that Quebec is likely to fall into our hands (persevering however to the last moment), I propose to set the town on fire with shells, to destroy the harvest, houses and cattle, both above and below, to send off as many Canadians as possible to Europe and to leave famine and desolation behind me; but we must teach these scoundrels to make war in a more gentleman like manner."
Wolfe sounds brutal. That's 100 years war tactics all over again.
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Montegriffo wrote:Ok, he's your one local, who are the real global top ten though?
Well, Wolfe actually gets on my real global top ten too, he in effect won the Seven Years War, one of the most consequential wars of all time, certainly in the modern sense, he made the Dominion of Canada for the likes of me, but he also made way for the United States of America, and he also forced the French to concede India and the West Indies as well, I mean, when Nouvelle France fell, that was the end of the French Hegenomy and the birth of the British Empire. Quebec is undoubtably one of greatest victories in the history of the Britons, the whole meteoric rise to rule the world; really starts there.

Bear in mind, when the French intervened in the Revolutionary War to win it for the Americans, a war which could only come about in the wake of, and which was reactionary to; the fall of Nouvelle France, which results in the USA, but also the French Revolution in the end, that was all payback for Wolfe at Quebec, the Plains of Abraham are literally the nexus of history as we know it.

The British Empire, the United States of America, and the French Revolution, the very foundations of the world we live in now, all emanates from one place, 13 September 1759.
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There are really (for this type of question) two types of 'best' generals.

The first is brilliant minds- Caesar, Alexander, Genghis, etc

The second is influential minds, who might not have been the best, bar none, but had huge impacts in victory- Charles Martel comes to mind as an example.
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I'm more results oriented; What did they win? What were the odds? What was the consequence? Subsection; What was the consequence to me? Bonus round; did they lead from the front and/or fall at the head of their troops in battle?
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Bear in mind tho, that doesn't mean they have to win the war, sometimes you can win battles against overwhelming odds without winning the war and still change the course of history to great consequence and to great consequence to me, and fall in battle at the head of their troops in the process, which is why Thomas J. Jackson is on my all world list.

Tie them Yankees down and bleed them, kept them out of Canada, and gave your life for it at the head of your troops, Stonewall, mighty obliged. <doffs hat>
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