The Right and the Left need each other - debate

[Dand]

Welfare is not wealth redistribution.

How do you figure that?

[TheReal_ND]

OH GOD DAMMIT. Fucking hell, I googled "cultural Marxism" and it's more alt-right horse shit.

Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory
'Cultural Marxism' in modern political parlance refers to a conspiracy theory which sees the Frankfurt School as part of a movement to take over and destroy Western society.[52][53][54][55] Originally the term had a niche academic usage within Cultural Studies where it described The Frankfurt School's objections to forms of culture they saw as having been mass-produced and imposed by a top-down Culture Industry, which they claimed was able to cause the reification of identity, alienating individuals away from developing an authentic sense of self, culture and class interests.[56][57][58][59][60][excessive citations] British theorists such as Richard Hoggart of the Birmingham School developed a more working class sense of "British Cultural Marxism" which objected to the "massification" and de-localization of culture, a process of commercialization Hoggart saw as being enabled by tabloid newspapers, advertising, and the American movie industry.[61]

[DrYouth]

OH GOD DAMMIT. Fucking hell, I googled "cultural Marxism" and it's more alt-right horse shit.

Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory
'Cultural Marxism' in modern political parlance refers to a conspiracy theory which sees the Frankfurt School as part of a movement to take over and destroy Western society.[52][53][54][55] Originally the term had a niche academic usage within Cultural Studies where it described The Frankfurt School's objections to forms of culture they saw as having been mass-produced and imposed by a top-down Culture Industry, which they claimed was able to cause the reification of identity, alienating individuals away from developing an authentic sense of self, culture and class interests.[56][57][58][59][60][excessive citations] British theorists such as Richard Hoggart of the Birmingham School developed a more working class sense of "British Cultural Marxism" which objected to the "massification" and de-localization of culture, a process of commercialization Hoggart saw as being enabled by tabloid newspapers, advertising, and the American movie industry.[61]

So what do you make of this Cultural Marxism meme Nukedog?

Red pill me.

[TheReal_ND]

Well the basic birch theory is that by confusing children on their sexuality and creating legions of special little snow flakes to populate the universities the masses are more easy to control via propaganda.

[Dand]

This is my understanding of the term:

Marxism says that someone with more money than others can only be in that position by oppressing those with less. It is materialist and says that conflict boils down to economics. It divides all people into oppressor and oppressed.

Cultural Marxism takes the same oppressor/oppressed model and applies it to cultures/societies rather than something material. For example, if Western society is culturally dominant then it must be oppressing other cultures and it should be overthrown.

[TheReal_ND]

This is my understanding of the term:

Marxism says that someone with more money than others can only be in that position by oppressing those with less. It is materialist and says that conflict boils down to economics. It divides all people into oppressor and oppressed.

Cultural Marxism takes the same oppressor/oppressed model and applies it to cultures/societies rather than something material. For example, if Western society is culturally dominant then it must be oppressing other cultures and it should be overthrown.

This seems correct.

[clubgop]

I would caution to take Cid with a grain of salt. He doest see culture marxism because he fully practices it. Free speech is a mere suggestion. He had sympathies for the feels of the Charlie Hebdo attackers, he defended and batted not an eyelash when a state school kicked those kids out of school for a racist chant, and he is on the wrong side of even landmark legal cases regarding free speech. Namely the Nazis of Skokie, Illinois.

[StCapps]

This is my understanding of the term:

Marxism says that someone with more money than others can only be in that position by oppressing those with less. It is materialist and says that conflict boils down to economics. It divides all people into oppressor and oppressed.

Cultural Marxism takes the same oppressor/oppressed model and applies it to cultures/societies rather than something material. For example, if Western society is culturally dominant then it must be oppressing other cultures and it should be overthrown.

This seems correct.

Yeah Dand nailed it, cultural marxism applies the oppressor/oppressed model to any group identity. Despite Cid's protestations, it's totally a thing and cannot simply be dismissed as alt-right bullshit. Cultural Marxism is the lens through which SJW's perceive the world.

[Cid]

Welfare is not wealth redistribution.

How do you figure that?

Because taxation isn't wealth redistribution and everyone who is feeding you that crap is either rich and playing you or being played by rich people.

It's not a clever move. Pay some dipshit that thinks taxes = wealth redistribution, get em to run some shitty story about welfare queens, and then you get decades of morons repeating the same story about the same rich homeless guy that pan handles and walks to his mercedes.

Welfare is welfare, you get it when you need it, if you don't you won't, if you cheat it you're breaking the law.

Seriously, how are you going to sell lower taxes for the stupidly rich, people who milk way more money out of a modern economy than common sense would ever allow, to everyone else? Can't make the argument anymore its because they're job creators because people finally get that "job creators" can just mean "no skill jobs." So they outsource their emotional pain of not having another god damn BMW to the middle class that needs functional roads and has cousins that have been recently downsized. "Wealth redistribution!" Here, I'll tell you when we're at wealth redistribution, its when wealth gets redistributed and classes get equalized. Mind you they can argue that's happening, that everyone is being shoved into the lower class, but they can't do it with a straight face.

So, no, welfare is not redistribution. Modern welfare is just a symptom of trying to screw as many people in an economy as lax regulation and systemic corruption can allow.

[Cid]

This is my understanding of the term:

Marxism says that someone with more money than others can only be in that position by oppressing those with less. It is materialist and says that conflict boils down to economics. It divides all people into oppressor and oppressed.

Cultural Marxism takes the same oppressor/oppressed model and applies it to cultures/societies rather than something material. For example, if Western society is culturally dominant then it must be oppressing other cultures and it should be overthrown.

Except culture isn't zero sum. You can have as much culture as you want. Fuck if I even know what "politically correct" is anymore, because I used to think it was not saying something that should be said for fear of perception, and now it just seems to be not saying something you would never have normally said anyway (but since someone called you a cuck, you've gotta prove your retard cred.)

The only oppressor to culture I've observed is the trailer park corrosion of the right (though the SJWs are trying to catch up, because in a race to retard finish the people who always got a trophy sometimes don't know when to quit.)