Any military cultures in history that were proud of being rapists?

[Hwen Hoshino]

Lol up until recently, rape was a part of any military experience. This doesn't mean that all wars are bad or unjust, but lets be honest here. It clearly still happens in every modern way, it is just consciously hidden from public view. In the past, most armies felt it was their prerogative after laying siege to a city and did not feel the need to be ashamed about it.

I watched a documentary about the Congo. The documentarian could only find on guy to talk about it and he was not very proud.

Shit, i forgot about having the Cosby avatar, that was accidental poor taste on my part.

where's cosby? where you hiding him?

It's off my computer. i watched a movie with him on tv.

[C-Mag]

The Japanese Imperial Army seemed to have rape as part of their SOP.

[Hwen Hoshino]

The Japanese Imperial Army seemed to have rape as part of their SOP.

But i assume they did not brag about it back home.

[BjornP]

A Roman soldier, or civilian for that matter, would never have gone home to brag that he would rape the hot slave girl he'd captured or bought. Mostly because doing what we would have considered rape to her, would not have been considered rape to him and other Romans. They had laws against rape, but they only applied to those who were Roman citizens, i.e. not slaves nor (obviously) enemy civilians.

Fucking a girl against her will only matters in any moral sense if you acknowledge that actually have a will of their own, and that they hold sovereignty over their own bodies.

[Hastur]

This Wikipedia page is comprehensive. East Germany at the end of WWII seems to have been a pretty horrific place to to be.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wartime_sexual_violence

At the end of World War II, Red Army soldiers are estimated to have raped around 2,000,000 German women and girls.[166][167] Norman Naimark writes in "The Russians in Germany: A History of the Soviet Zone of Occupation, 1945–1949." that although the exact number of women and girls who were raped by members of the Red Army in the months preceding the capitulation and in the years following it will never be known, their numbers are likely to be in the hundreds of thousands, quite possibly as high as the 2,000,000 victims estimated by Barbara Johr, in "Befreier und Befreite". Many of these victims were raped repeatedly.

A female Soviet war correspondent described what she had witnessed: "The Russian soldiers were raping every German female from eight to eighty. It was an army of rapists." The majority of the rapes were committed in the Soviet occupation zone and an estimated 2 million German women were raped by Soviet soldiers.[168][169][170][171][172] According to historian William Hitchcock, in numerous cases women were victims of repeated rapes with some women being raped as many as 60 to 70 times.[173] A minimum of 100,000 women are believed to have been raped in Berlin, based on surging abortion rates in the following months and on hospital reports written at the time,[170] with an estimated 10,000 women dying in the aftermath.[174] Female deaths resulting from rapes committed by Soviet soldiers stationed in Germany are estimated to total 240,000.[175][176] Antony Beevor describes it as the "greatest phenomenon of mass rape in history", and he has concluded that at least 1.4 million women were raped in East Prussia, Pomerania and Silesia alone.[177] According to Natalya Gesse, Soviet soldiers raped German females who were anywhere from eight to eighty years old Soviet women were not spared either.[178][179][180]

Antony Beevor estimates that up to half of all rape victims were victims of gang rapes. Naimark states that not only did each victim have to carry the trauma with her for the rest of her days, it also inflicted a massive collective trauma on the East German nation. Naimark concludes "The social psychology of women and men in the Soviet zone of occupation was marked by the crime of rape from the first days of the occupation, through the founding of the GDR in the fall of 1949, until, one could argue, the present."[181] German women who became pregnant after being raped by Soviet soldiers in World War II were invariably denied the right to an abortion so they would be further humiliated by being forced to carry an unwanted child.[citation needed] According to the book Berlin: The Downfall, 1945 by Antony Beevor, some 90% of raped Berlin women in 1945 contracted venereal diseases as the result of these consequential rapes and 3.7% of all children born in Germany from 1945 to 1946 had Soviet fathers. The history of this particular aspect of the mass-rape of German women by Soviet troops was considered a taboo subject until 1992.

[Hwen Hoshino]

A Roman soldier, or civilian for that matter, would never have gone home to brag that he would rape the hot slave girl he'd captured or bought. Mostly because doing what we would have considered rape to her, would not have been considered rape to him and other Romans. They had laws against rape, but they only applied to those who were Roman citizens, i.e. not slaves nor (obviously) enemy civilians.

Fucking a girl against her will only matters in any moral sense if you acknowledge that actually have a will of their own, and that they hold sovereignty over their own bodies.

What did they call it instead?

[BjornP]

A Roman soldier, or civilian for that matter, would never have gone home to brag that he would rape the hot slave girl he'd captured or bought. Mostly because doing what we would have considered rape to her, would not have been considered rape to him and other Romans. They had laws against rape, but they only applied to those who were Roman citizens, i.e. not slaves nor (obviously) enemy civilians.

Fucking a girl against her will only matters in any moral sense if you acknowledge that actually have a will of their own, and that they hold sovereignty over their own bodies.

What did they call it instead?

Dunno. I don't speak ancient Latin. I suppose it's not impossible that they had a specific word that specifically translated to "taking-a-enemy-civilian-woman-against-her-will-during-war" or "fucking-my-slave-even-if-she/he-is-unwilling", but I don't know it. I can't imagine why they'd need a word like that, though.

[Speaker to Animals]

A Roman soldier, or civilian for that matter, would never have gone home to brag that he would rape the hot slave girl he'd captured or bought. Mostly because doing what we would have considered rape to her, would not have been considered rape to him and other Romans. They had laws against rape, but they only applied to those who were Roman citizens, i.e. not slaves nor (obviously) enemy civilians.

Fucking a girl against her will only matters in any moral sense if you acknowledge that actually have a will of their own, and that they hold sovereignty over their own bodies.

They knew it was a brutal thing to do, though. They would not want their own daughters and wives raped.

I am not aware of Romans boasting of rape and plunder, but I do recall it recorded by Greeks and especially eastern peoples like Assyrians and Persians.

You can see the mentality of people like that in relatively recent slave codes in the United States. Sexual relations between black men and white women were punished severely. White men could rape their slaves, except the offspring was not considered his child, but more chattel property under the legal doctrine of Partus sequitur ventrem, which I think goes back to Roman times. Raping another man's slave, however, could result in serious legal consequences.

People like this seem to separate themselves from the rest of humanity. Once you do that, you can justify just about anything. This is maybe my biggest criticism of the alt-right: the rejection of objective morals (what they call "universalism").

While it's true that people have adopted pathological altruism on the left in the name of helping everybody in the world, at the cost of one's own nation's destruction, the refutation of that does not somehow refute objective morals. People everywhere since the Axial Age used reason to infer simple moral truths, such as do unto others as you would have done to you.

Once a civilization collectively recognized objective morals, I doubt anybody would come home from war and admit rape, much less brag about it. Before that adoption, it might not even occur to them that it was wrong, since their victims were not of their own tribe or city.

[Speaker to Animals]

Now that I think of it.. It's as if the left unconsciously adopted the opposite of tribal morals. That is, every member of the outgroup deserves moral consideration, yet every member of the ingroup is unworthy of moral consideration.

They have basically taken the inverse position to tribalists.

[BjornP]

They knew it was a brutal thing to do, though. They would not want their own daughters and wives raped.

I am not aware of Romans boasting of rape and plunder, but I do recall it recorded by Greeks and especially eastern peoples like Assyrians and Persians.

Roman historical sources are almost exclusively from higher class peoples who would probably have considered that sort of sexual bragging as... "uncouth" and plebeian. What the common soldiery said to each other, well...we have Pompeiian graffitti, though I can't recall if there are any soldiers bragging there. Dragging home slaves was a common enough motiff in Roman artwork, though.

And of course they wouldn't have wanted their own daughters and wives raped. Rape was one of the most deplorable crimes you could commit in ancient Rome... it's just that taking anyone but a free Roman citizen's wife or daughter by force wasn't legally or morally considered a rape. With your own slave or some enemy civilian, there was no moral or legal dilemma.

You can see the mentality of people like that in relatively recent slave codes in the United States. Sexual relations between black men and white women were punished severely. White men could rape their slaves, except the offspring was not considered his child, but more chattel property under the legal doctrine of Partus sequitur ventrem, which I think goes back to Roman times. Raping another man's slave, however, could result in serious legal consequences.

People like this seem to separate themselves from the rest of humanity. Once you do that, you can justify just about anything. This is maybe my biggest criticism of the alt-right: the rejection of objective morals (what they call "universalism").

While it's true that people have adopted pathological altruism on the left in the name of helping everybody in the world, at the cost of one's own nation's destruction, the refutation of that does not somehow refute objective morals. People everywhere since the Axial Age used reason to infer simple moral truths, such as do unto others as you would have done to you.

Once a civilization collectively recognized objective morals, I doubt anybody would come home from war and admit rape, much less brag about it. Before that adoption, it might not even occur to them that it was wrong, since their victims were not of their own tribe or city.

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No doubt you're right about that (part in bold). And I imagine that that's the main thing that really changed the Roman world: The introduction of the first belief system with a wide set of universal beliefs about mankind, and that no matter if you were Roman, Gaul, Germanic, Persian, or from whereever, a caring god cared the same for you as those who held power over you in the physical realm... it's a compelling story. This is what scholars on the conversion of regular Danes before Harald Bluetooth point to as the attraction of the new faith. The old ways were almost caste-like in their class-distinctions and the gods had ordained each a "place". While Christianity obviously didn't upend the social order of kings in Europe, it changed the "spiritual" hierachy of their souls.

Not that that means I'm gonna buy the universalist koolaid. Tribalism doesn't need to devolve into hatred, chauvanism, wishes of conquest and domination of your neighbours, after all. I find no trouble respecting the cultures of the countries surrounding Denmark, and wishing them all the good in the world for their children, society and culture.