Trump Tower Bugged by BHO?

[Alexander PhiAlipson]

Remember when you were all like, If Trump wins, one of the good things will be the media doing its job again. Remember words to that effect, C?

And I agreed with you! They gave Obama a pass on everything... but, was this what we were hoping for?

[ssu]

Feel free to provide substantive evidence that Russia "hacked the election". All I see is hysterics and hand-waving.

Hanging to your favorite strawman now?

FYI: Nobody has argued that the elections were hacked.

You don't seem to get it, do you? First of all the Russian campaign doesn't undermine your election win, if you fear that. That may be the democratic line, but isn't reality. Because the election itself wasn't rigged (although the rigged election fake news was one thing that Russia marketed before the elections). But denying is the obvious, that there was a Russian campaign, which could be seen from the media, puts you just in your own echo chamber.

It was a campaign obviously succeeded: to make the US weaker, confused and fighting with itself even more than before.

Perhaps you don't understand that the substantive evidence in the "active measures" were what RT and other Russian media outlets spilled out. Here's a brilliant insight just how it worked, the "active measures"... assuming people here would read it.

Russia’s Active Measures today work far better than that of their Soviet forefathers.
During the Cold War, the KGB had to infiltrate the West, recruit agents and promote
communist parties and their propaganda while under watch by Western
counterintelligence efforts. Should they be too aggressive, Soviet spies conducting
Active Measures amongst U.S. domestic groups could potentially trigger armed conflict
or would be detained and deported.

Social media provides Russia’s new Active Measures access to U.S. audiences without
setting foot in the country, and the Kremlin smartly uses these platforms in seven ways to
win Western elections.

1) Russia chooses close democratic contests where a slight
nudge can usher in their preferred candidate or desired outcome.

2) Russia targets specific audiences inside electorates amenable to their messages and resulting influence –
in particular alt-right audiences incensed over immigration, refugees and economic
hardship.

3) Russia plans and implements their strategy long before an election
allowing sufficient time for cultivating an amenable audience ripe for manipulation.

4) Their early entry into electoral debates allows them to test many messages and
then reinforce those messages that resonate and bring about a measurable, preferred shift
in public opinion.

5) Russia brilliantly uses hacking to compromise adversaries and
power their influence messaging – a tactic most countries would not take.

6) Their employment of social media automation saturates their intended audience with narratives that drown out opposing viewpoints.

Finally, Russia plays either side should the contest change – backing an individual candidate or party so long as they support a Kremlin
policy position and then turning against the same party should their position shift against Russia.

See Senate Intelligence Hearing Transcript

[Speaker to Animals]

Nobody has presented a shred of proof that the Russians were behind the DNC leaks or phishing Podesta's gmail password. There's no proof of any of it.

Then you try to make all this disparate and tenuous connections between people like that somehow proves a damned thing. You sound like PizzaGate or 9-11 truthers. Surely you realize this??


The most ridiculous part of it all is that the actual proof of Russian involvement we do possess indicates it was HILLARY CLINTON and her people who were financially tied to the Kremlin. They are trying to gaslight everybody.

[Martin Hash]

U.S. political Parties do the exact same thing. My god, Zionists are absolutely masters of this. R U saying Russia does it better?

[ssu]

Nobody has presented a shred of proof that the Russians were behind the DNC leaks or phishing Podesta's gmail password. There's no proof of any of it.

Then you try to make all this disparate and tenuous connections between people like that somehow proves a damned thing. You sound like PizzaGate or 9-11 truthers. Surely you realize this??

Surely you understand that you aren't responding at all to what I even say.

You do understand that the hacking part was just a small part of what you are desperately to refute?

[ssu]

U.S. political Parties do the exact same thing. My god, Zionists are absolutely masters of this. R U saying Russia does it better?

With Israel, the rather strange relationship is something that Americans are voluntary supporting. The Judeo-Christian heritage and all that. Above all, Israel isn't trying to make you weaker. Sure, the alliance is a bit one-sided, but still. It's an ally.

And if your parties do it, it's AMERICAN parties doing it.

As I said, if Putin was an American billionaire, this all would be normal politics.

And yes, they have a lot of balls to do what they do. They are far more better than the Americans, because they do it all the time. The US is nowhere close. The US starts a influence campaign and "active measures" only when the administration and the POTUS wants it. Otherwise they just track terrorists.

[C-Mag]

Remember when you were all like, If Trump wins, one of the good things will be the media doing its job again. Remember words to that effect, C?

And I agreed with you! They gave Obama a pass on everything... but, was this what we were hoping for?

Oh, yeah, I remember. I said it. I have no problem with the Russian hacking/election interference probe by either the media or Congress. I am amazed at that the Corporate Media has managed to get more and more partisan over 2 years. The Medias 'tenacity' on Russia would be fine, if they were willing to approach the spying on Trump by BHO with the same tenacity. But clearly they are partisan propagandists, more so than I could have imagined.

So, I guess I was right that they would be holding Trump accountable, but wrong about them having any form of pride in balance

................ and no, not really what we were hoping for. I thought they would give the guy a chance. But, clearly............noooooo. Looks like to me the Corporate Media is playing the part of the Ice Deliveryman, throwing a fit over people buying refrigerators.

[C-Mag]

Rand Paul this AM on Morning Joe, talking about the real issues that should concern all Americans related to the Obama Administration spying on Trump. Rand talks about how he and Widen (D) Oregon warned us years ago this spying was going to be used to attack political opponents.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/wha ... ng-n742476

Sorry, couldn't find a youtube of it

[Speaker to Animals]

Remember when you were all like, If Trump wins, one of the good things will be the media doing its job again. Remember words to that effect, C?

And I agreed with you! They gave Obama a pass on everything... but, was this what we were hoping for?

Oh, yeah, I remember. I said it. I have no problem with the Russian hacking/election interference probe by either the media or Congress. I am amazed at that the Corporate Media has managed to get more and more partisan over 2 years. The Medias 'tenacity' on Russia would be fine, if they were willing to approach the spying on Trump by BHO with the same tenacity. But clearly they are partisan propagandists, more so than I could have imagined.

So, I guess I was right that they would be holding Trump accountable, but wrong about them having any form of pride in balance

................ and no, not really what we were hoping for. I thought they would give the guy a chance. But, clearly............noooooo. Looks like to me the Corporate Media is playing the part of the Ice Deliveryman, throwing a fit over people buying refrigerators.

The MSM right now:

[TheReal_ND]

No offense ssu, but you're derailing the spying thread with a more or less unrelated issue.

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